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Why did America forget yesterday, or should that be why did GF forget yesterday.
 

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sir john said:
Why did America forget yesterday, or should that be why did GF forget yesterday.
We don't forget yesterday, we look forward to tomorrow Tup: , why do you ask :?
 

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That will remain a mystery unless somebody here posts the answer.

Not even giving you a clue. :lol:
 

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Most of us, including Ms. Lori are waaaaay to young to remember when the Star Spangled Banner was adopted as the national anthem, put most of us probably do remember the "Rodney King Beating", it's just nothing that we particularly celebrate.
 

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March 3rd in History
1873: The U.S. Congress enacts the Comstock Law, one of the most drastic attempt at censorship in that country.

And..................I must admit, I cheated.

March 3rd 1931 our National Anthem was o fish al








The Star Spangled Banner Lyrics
By Francis Scott Key 1814



Oh, say can you see by the dawn's early light
What so proudly we hailed at the twilight's last gleaming?
Whose broad stripes and bright stars thru the perilous fight,
O'er the ramparts we watched were so gallantly streaming?
And the rocket's red glare, the bombs bursting in air,
Gave proof through the night that our flag was still there.
Oh, say does that star-spangled banner yet wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave?

On the shore, dimly seen through the mists of the deep,
Where the foe's haughty host in dread silence reposes,
What is that which the breeze, o'er the towering steep,
As it fitfully blows, half conceals, half discloses?
Now it catches the gleam of the morning's first beam,
In full glory reflected now shines in the stream:
'Tis the star-spangled banner! Oh long may it wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave!

And where is that band who so vauntingly swore
That the havoc of war and the battle's confusion,
A home and a country should leave us no more!
Their blood has washed out their foul footsteps' pollution.
No refuge could save the hireling and slave
From the terror of flight, or the gloom of the grave:
And the star-spangled banner in triumph doth wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave!

Oh! thus be it ever, when freemen shall stand
Between their loved home and the war's desolation!
Blest with victory and peace, may the heav'n rescued land
Praise the Power that hath made and preserved us a nation.
Then conquer we must, when our cause it is just,
And this be our motto: "In God is our trust."
And the star-spangled banner in triumph shall wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave!
 

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Give GR the cigar he was spot on with National Anthem.

But we will make it a small cigar as he cheated. ;)
 

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GR?!?!? But it was Traut... Comstock law indeed...
 

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Why?

This may be part of it. For some reason, many American's (especially in academia) are trying to downplay our Christian heritage:

Oh! thus be it ever, when freemen shall stand
Between their loved home and the war's desolation!
Blest with victory and peace, may the heav'n rescued land
Praise the Power that hath made and preserved us a nation.

Then conquer we must, when our cause it is just,
And this be our motto: "In God is our trust."
And the star-spangled banner in triumph shall wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave!
 

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Yeah... that's it SS! :cool:

It couldn't POSSIBLY be the fact that singing ALL 4 verses of Francis Scott Key's POEM would probably take 10 minutes or more... and professional sports fans just can't stand at attention that long... could it? :D :D

Seriously... Our National Anthem was first written as a poem in 1814 and it was called "Defence of Ft. McHenry."

Later on the verses were set to the melody of a popular British drinking song, (Hey... that's pretty Christian... huh SS? clown: ) renamed "The Star Spangled Banner" and was finally officially adopted as our National Anthem in 1931. Tup:
 

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Sorry Traut missed your post, must be getting old and blind. ;)
 

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Yeah... that's it SS! :cool:

It couldn't POSSIBLY be the fact that singing ALL 4 verses of Francis Scott Key's POEM would probably take 10 minutes or more... and professional sports fans just can't stand at attention that long... could it? :D :D

Seriously... Our National Anthem was first written as a poem in 1814 and it was called "Defence of Ft. McHenry."

Later on the verses were set to the melody of a popular British drinking song, (Hey... that's pretty Christian... huh SS? clown: ) renamed "The Star Spangled Banner" and was finally officially adopted as our National Anthem in 1931. Tup:
I'm not sure the origins of the anthem being from a POEM matter in this discussion...

But the reason the country may be forgetting about the historical context could very well be the Christian influence that would unmistakeable if the subject was brought up. I bet the full POEM is NOT taught as part of US History in puplic school...

As for using the melody of a popular drinkging song - that has been done with many old church hymns over the years. So yes, it IS pretty Christian :)

Here is a funny snippet related to this:

Below is an extract from an American Newspaper objecting to new trends in church music.

“There are several reasons for opposing it. One, it’s too new. Two, it’s often worldly, even blasphemous. The new Christian music is not as pleasant as the more established style. Because there are so many new songs, you can’t learn them all. It puts too much emphasis on instrumental music rather than godly lyrics. This new music creates disturbances making people act indecently and disorderly. The preceding generation got along without it. It’s a money making scam and some of these new music upstarts are lewd and loose.�

Who were they attacking? It wasn't Delirious? or Matt Redman. They were attacking the hymn writer Isaac Watts, famous for writing ‘When I survey,’ in 1723! The old hymns once upon a time were considered radical and cutting edge.
cade to buy everything from AK-47 rifles to Russian Sukhoi fighter planes, but the Venezuelan armed forces haven't seen real action since Chavez himself, then an army paratrooper, led a failed coup in 1992. So, Venezuela is likely at a military disadvantage â€" especially since many of its soldiers and officers aren't enthusiastic about either Chavez or the FARC. "There are too many Venezuelan generals who won't want to go to war over the FARC," says Michael Shifter, of the Inter-American Dialogue in Washinton, D.C. "Would they follow Chavez's orders?"

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A Hard Sell at Home: If Chavez has learned one thing from his idol Fidel Castro, it's how to summon the threat of the U.S. to distract his countrymen from problems at hom
 

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Also, when was the last time we heard (or were taught in public school) the background of "Thanksgiving" in the US? (We know schools won't touch the history of Christmas)

Perhaps this is why:
(From wikipedia)

National Thanksgiving Proclamations proclaim thanks for God’s providence in the events of the nation and, as President Washington explained in his Thanksgiving Proclamation, "for the many signal favors of Almighty God" in the lives of the people.

As Congress recognized the importance of Thanksgiving observance, President George Washington issued a national Thanksgiving Proclamation in 1789[7]. He wrote, "Now therefore I do recommend and assign Thursday the 26th day of November next to be devoted by the People of these States to the service of that great and glorious Being, who is the beneficent Author of all the good that was, that is, or that will beâ€"That we may then all unite in rendering unto Him our sincere and humble thanksâ€"for His kind care and protection of the People of this Country...for the signal and manifold mercies, and the favorable interpositions of His Providence which we experienced in the tranquility, union, and plenty, which we have since enjoyed...and also that we may then unite in most humbly offering our prayers and supplications to the great Lord and Ruler of Nations and beseech Him to pardon our national and other transgressionsâ€"to enable us all, whether in public or private stations, to perform our several and relative duties properly and punctually...To promote the knowledge and practice of true religion and virtue, and the increase of science among them and usâ€"and generally to grant unto all Mankind such a degree of temporal prosperity as He alone knows to be best."

In 1789 Washington designated a national thanksgiving holiday for the newly ratified Constitution, specifically so that the people may thank God for "affording them an opportunity peaceably to establish a form of government for their safety and happiness" and for having "been enabled to establish constitutions of government for our safety and happiness, and particularly the national One now lately instituted, for the civil and religious liberty with which we are blessed... "

The first official Thanksgiving Proclamation made in America was issued by Henry Laurens as President of the Continental Congress of the United States on December 18, 1777. However, the precursor to the Thanksgiving Proclamation was issued by John Hancock as President of the Continental Congress of the United Colonies and was entitled "Fast Day Proclamation" on March 16, 1776. Six national Proclamations of Thanksgiving were issued in the first thirty years after the founding of the United States of America as an independent federation of States. President George Washington issued two, President John Adams issued two, President Thomas Jefferson made none and President James Madison issued two. After 1815 there were no more Thanksgiving Proclamations.

If it weren’t for Sarah Josepha Hale, the editor of Godey's Lady's Book, the popular women’s journal of the 19th century, Thanksgiving Day would not have existed beyond that. She wrote editorials and lobbied “that the LAST THURSDAY IN NOVEMBER shall be the DAY OF NATIONAL THANKSGIVING for the American people.� President Lincoln succumbed to her pressure and proclaimed the last Thursday in November a "prayerful day of Thanksgiving."

Since then every U.S. President has always made an official Thanksgiving Proclamation on behalf of the nation.

"I do therefore invite my fellow citizens in every part of the United States, and also those who are at sea and those who are sojourning in foreign lands, to set apart and observe the last Thursday of November next, as a day of Thanksgiving and Praise to our beneficent Father who dwelleth in the Heavens. And I recommend to them that while offering up the ascriptions justly due to Him for such singular deliverances and blessings, they do also, with humble penitence for our national perverseness and disobedience, commend to His tender care all those who have become widows, orphans, mourners or sufferers in the lamentable civil strife in which we are unavoidably engaged, and fervently implore the interposition of the Almighty Hand to heal the wounds of the nation and to restore it as soon as may be consistent with the Divine purposes to the full enjoyment of peace, harmony, tranquillity and Union." The Collected Works of Abraham Lincoln edited by Roy P. Basler, Volume VI, "Proclamation of Thanksgiving" (October 3, 1863), p. 497.
 

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Please don't turn this is to a debate on Christains.

I only wondered if any of you had remembered the date that the SSB had become your National Anthem. Nothing more.
 

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Please don't turn this is to a debate on Christains.

I only wondered if any of you had remembered the date that the SSB had become your National Anthem. Nothing more.
And I'm only giving my 2cents as to why I don't think American's in general like to focus on our own history...
 

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SS,

Do you think Americans' lack of knowledge as to the second and third verse of the Star Spangle Banner is attributable to your 4th verse "downplay" theory as well? :lol:

Or am I the only one on the board that doesn't have those verses committed to memory? clown:
 

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Nobobdy is hiding from anything SS. There was NO conspiracy to short-change Christian traditions back when the Anthem was adopted. It was abbreviated to the one verse only in the interest of time and the fact that it would be MUCH easier to remember.

The fact that it started as a poem is completely relevant because long-form poems don't always make the best song lyrics.
Could you imagine a Thoreau or Longfellow poem set to music?

Bottom line: Your anti-Christian theory holds no water.
 

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This thread suddenly deserves this:

(Sorry SS, But i've waited a LONG LONG LONG time to use it...)
 
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