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Anyone know what the plan is for the Viaduct? That gas tax was passed in 2005 even had to have the emergency clause put on it to prevent citizens from fighting it with a referendum. They scared people into supporting the gas tax but as far as I can tell, haven't done a damn thing about it other than collect the money. If anyone knows where that money is going, I'd like to hear about it.
 

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No plan . Prissy Chrissy as threaten Nichols that she will tear it down if a plan is not in place by 2010 I beleive. The tax$ collected are just piling up I believe.
 

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Anyone know what the plan is for the Viaduct?
Comrade Gregoire is flirting with Mayor Nickel's ASSanine idea of just tearing it down and having only surface street access through the city. Tdown:

I hope she runs with that along with her $6 toll (EACH WAY) on 520, l-90 and north road around Lake Washington to be charged and collected years before studies and estimates are even in or construction actually begins on the 520 replacement. clap:

Those two ridiculus ideas will even have the most 'enlightened' liberals in Seattle and King County abandon her and ensure a victory so big for Dino Rossi that all the 'found' ballots and recounts of dead people and fellons wont even put her over the top in the next Governor's race. Tup:
 

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Was the gas tax meant to exclusively fund a new Viaduct or an alternative? I thought it was supposed to go to the state DOT projects budget?

If so... then they're probably spendin' a lot of it in Snohomish Co. There have been a lot of projects of all types going on up here. Tup:

Too bad we can't get Exxon-Mobil and Chevron to spend some of the 100 BILLION dollar pure profit they get by artificially raising the price of gasoline on some road and bridge projects around here too. conf:

You guys think Dino could swing that? clown:
 

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"Too bad we can't get Exxon-Mobil and Chevron to spend some of the 100 BILLION dollar pure profit they get by artificially raising the price of gasoline on some road and bridge projects around here too.

You guys think Dino could swing that? "

I imagine it's easier for Krissy to just jack us for some tax revenue. She can then pay another mil or two for some Salmon sculptures along the freeways so we feel better about it. Or maybe even some stamped concrete walls with nature designs so we won't feel like we are out of touch with nature driving through a shiat hole like lynnwood or Kent Auburn at 65mph. All good spends btw
 

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I'd MUCH rather give a few pennies of my hard-earned money to the State to be able to see some nice salmon sculptures while I'm drivin' to work... than to give Exxon-Mobil thousands of dollars to hire a legal team to help them shirk responsibility for the next environmental disaster that they create. :?

I use the Viaduct on occasion for business. What is Dino's plan for it and how will he pay for it?
 

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Too bad we can't get Exxon-Mobil and Chevron to spend some of the 100 BILLION dollar pure profit they get by artificially raising the price of gasoline on some road and bridge projects around here too. conf:
Webo,

Why do you hate capitalism and free enterprise? :eek:

I know it feels good to blame 'Big Oil' but there are some important facts to keep in mind.

Along with profits for shareholders oil companies have also directly paid or remitted more than $2.2 trillion in taxes in the last 25 years. clap:

http://www.taxfoundation.org/news/show/1168.html

Regardless of the price per gallon at the pump the oil companies sell their gasoline based on the cost of crude and only average about 10 cents a gallon profit after a considerable risk and financial investment to find it, refine it and bring it to market.

The reason the barrel price is so high and your cost is so much at the pump is because of people like you and Owl Gore who don't want America to drill for and refine her own abundant sources of oil and are forcing consumers to pay what ever price is dictated by the likes of OPEC and Hugo Chavez. Tdown:

If you really want to complain about the cost look at who's really bending you over at the pump....the state and federal government light: which make about 6 times as much as the oil companies per gallon without having to risk or do anything like 'big oil ' does. That doesn't even take into account for the estimated 50 cents per gallon you're paying for the innefcient and worthless abortion that is mandated ethanol. sick: Tdown:

http://mjperry.blogspot.com/2007/05/gasoline-taxes.html

Gasoline Taxes vs. Profits

After crude oil costs, gasoline taxes are the second largest contributor to the price paid at the pump. Together Federal and State excise taxes on fuel account for an average cost of approximately 62 cents per gallon. That's a combined tax of about 20% per gallon of gas.

The federal tax per gallon is 18.4 cents per gallon, see the history of federal gasoline taxes here, and the state tax per gallon varies by state, see the complete list of state gasoline taxes here.

Average profit per gallon of gas for oil companies: 10 cents according to the EIA.
 

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"I'd MUCH rather give a few pennies of my hard-earned money to the State to be able to see some nice salmon sculptures while I'm drivin' to work... than to give Exxon-Mobil thousands of dollars to hire a legal team to help them shirk responsibility for the next environmental disaster that they create."

Of course you would thats why you are a socialist. clown:
 

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I figured I'd get the typical "socialist / hate capitalism" response to that post. clown:

I love capitalism! I even like a bit of socialism. But neither of those facts pertains to my point.

People (mainly 'conservatives') LOVE to whine about having to pay a few extra cents a gallon for gas... when that money goes to maintain and improve our infrastructure... ultimately benefitting US!

Yet they lick the boots of companies that gouge US at the pump for dollars a gallon profit... and NONE of that profit benefits US... unless we happen to be an oil company executive or a major stockholder. conf:

Oil companies can make a profit... I don't begrudge them for that at all... except the gouging part.

What kills me is this bizarre loyalty to those who are bendin' you over and reamin' you? Do you actually like it? :eek:

Don't answer that king! :D :D
 

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"People (mainly 'conservatives') LOVE to whine about having to pay a few extra cents a gallon for gas... when that money goes to maintain and improve our infrastructure... ultimately benefitting US!"

The only complaint I ever hear is that the tax should be lvied in a fashion that makes it deductible from your federal taxes. There by lessoning the total tax burden of which WASH,. is very high because of all the various taxes that are broken out or hidden.

"Yet they lick the boots of companies that gouge US at the pump for dollars a gallon profit... and NONE of that profit benefits US... unless we happen to be an oil company exectutive or a major stockholder. "

Only a loser complains about chossing to do business with a company. No one has a gun to your head. Sell the truck car boat and move down town and walk every where. If not then quit complaining. I am sure many would like to see you work for .50cents a day so your product is less expensive. Ar eyou all for that?

"Oil companies can make a profit... I don't begrudge them for that at all... except the gouging part.
Still on par with other industeies the oil companies make less as a percentage.



What kills me is this bizarre loyalty to those who are bendin' you over and reamin' you? Do you actually like it? "

Are you talking about state and federal taxes? If you are I see you like to be forceably raped versus having a choice where you spend your money.

Makes sense that you want to be taken Webo. I have consistantly maintianed that the liberal mentality is very female.

Don't answer that king!

I did ,so there clown:
 

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that gouge US at the pump for dollars a gallon profit... and NONE of that profit benefits US... unless we happen to be an oil company executive or a major stockholder. conf:

Oil companies can make a profit... I don't begrudge them for that at all... except the gouging part.

What kills me is this bizarre loyalty to those who are bendin' you over and reamin' you? Do you actually like it? :eek:
Webo,

Oil companies make approx. 10 cents agallon in profit to the state and Federal government's profit (tax) which averages about 62 cents a gallon which is over 6 times greater. :eek:

How exactly do you purport the oil companies,"gouge US at the pump for dollars a gallon profit"?

Please post a serious response and show your work and provide some credible proof to support your thesis. Tup:
 

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Birch, when you are making $40 million in profit you are sticking it to someone. How about doing a good thing and helping out their fellow americans in this time of economic hardship and only making $20-25 million in profit and dropping the price a little? Not to be outdone, the State could actually cut back a little and reduce their take in taxes as well. So could the Fed. Then everybody wins as the consumer saves some money, Big Oil still makes a profit and whichever politician actually has the "stones" to pull this off wins re-election in a landslide. I know, but it is my fantasy.
 

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OK Birch... answer me this:

The 5 major oil companies ALL posted RECORD profits last year.

The price of crude oil DID go up a considerable amount.

The amount of gasoline consumed in the United States DID NOT go up the same proportional amount as the cost of crude oil.

So... if oil companies are only making 10 cents a gallon profit... HOW were they able to post such high profits?
I could see the cost of gasoline rising and falling with the cost of crude oil... but it didn't. When crude reached $100 a barrel... gas was $3.23 a gallon.
When crude dropped to $65 a barrel... gas was STILL $3.23 a gallon?

We didn't have any major hurricanes hit our oil-producing regions.
NO major terrorist attacks occurred on oil-producing regions.
The Federal gasoline tax did NOT go up a buck a gallon.

How come gasoline is so expensive and oil companies are making such large profits then?

King... gasoline unfortunately isn't a commodity that you can just "do without"... like milk for instance. The free market / competition will keep prices low approach doesn't work with gasoline. You can't just go and start up King's oil company, undercut the competition and start making money. EVERYTHING in our economy depends on oil one way or another. This unfair advantage... coupled with the fact that the number of competing companies is shrinking is giving an unfair, monopolistic advantage to big oil.
 

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"King... gasoline unfortunately isn't a commodity that you can just "do without"... like milk for instance. The free market / competition will keep prices low approach doesn't work with gasoline. You can't just go and start up King's oil company, undercut the competition and start making money. EVERYTHING in our economy depends on oil one way or another. This unfair advantage... coupled with the fact that the number of competing companies is shrinking is giving an unfair, monopolistic advantage to big oil."


Sure it is. Webo its a life style choice people make. People choose to live in Sumner and commute to Seattle for a variety of reasons. but all of them are choices plain and simple. Typical liberal BS to say their is no choice or you have to buy oil.. People buying things from China and India are also driving the cost up. As their economies grow they compete for a limited resource. Its all choice and therefore controllable.
 

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You just don't get it... do you? clown:

It ain't just about some yuppies commutin' to work from the suburbs.

A lot of homes are heated with oil. Food prices in the grocery store depend on transportation costs etc. etc. etc.

Like I said... EVERYTHING in our economy depends in one way or another on oil right now. It's one of the things we need to change.

If it were as simple as just making lifestyle choices... we wouldn't be in the economic mess that we are today.
 

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That means either you're not as conservative... or I'm not as liberal as you think then DB! :lol: :lol:

Glad to have you on my side either way... Tup:
 
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