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With both sides of the House and the President in agreement that the country needs a boost do you think the country is headed for recession. They are talking about it over here and blame it all on the sub prime loan fiasco.

I was also surprised to hear that your banks are selling shares to Middle East Countries/India/China and Tiawan(sp). They are doing this to keep their heads above water. I bet you would be upset if China took over some of your banks.
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Why worry about a recession? Something like this happens every 7-10 yrs. If you are fiscally responsible, it shouldn't be an issue. My motto is "if we can't pay cash for it, we don't buy it." It seems to work every time. This is the perfect time to increase the shares in your portfolio. When you don't have debt, you can do very well with less income. Think long term and things work out. Maximize your 401k when the market's down. Don't by the BS that you need to have a house payment for tax purposes. I payed my house off over 6yrs ago and I am covering some ground now. The interest right off is nothing.
This old man paid his house off in 99 and when I moved last year I made sure that not only was it a smaller place but I also got to put lots of brass in the bank.

You Righties will dread this bit of news. I am already looking at coming out and pestering you once again in Sept for a month. Just have to know when I can keep the Kings and of course I must head for Everett for the Derby if I can get a ride along on a boat.
sir john said:
This old man paid his house off in 99 and when I moved last year I made sure that not only was it a smaller place but I also got to put lots of brass in the bank.

You Righties will dread this bit of news. I am already looking at coming out and pestering you once again in Sept for a month. Just have to know when I can keep the Kings and of course I must head for Everett for the Derby if I can get a ride along on a boat.
I hope the fishing will be good for you. I hope you get another chance to visit.

TUNA, TUNA
Why would the righties, as you tag em, not enjoy meeting you. Anachronisms are always interesting. Besides even you can appreciate God's Country. And for some reminders of home, Victoria is not far away.
There you go again Jabba, it is NOT God's country as you lot like to label it. THere are lots of beautiful places around the World and not just in America. Have you been on the Swiss/France/Italian border, now that is also a beautiful area.
There you go again being silly Sir John. If I want to call the Northwest God''s Country, I can and I will. The fact that one of my grandsons is an exchange student in language studies and is living in Grenoble France piques my interest in the area you mention. However, I know where my God's country is. And I don't believe it is the land of the Covenant and hasn't been for a long time.
Today our Footsie 100 lost 77bn pounds in share trading the biggest loss since 9/11. The other stock exchanges around the World have also dipped as they reckon the actions George is going to take will not be enough to stop the rot in America.

Seeing as I live on a fixed income and have no stocks or shares these dips will not affect me.

Looks like after your holiday the shares over there will also be taking a dive.
There we go again with the doom and gloom blame Bush routine. If you guys would lead instead of follow, maybe you would be better off. Oh, I forgot, America always leads the way for the rest of the world. Blame Bush for everything..
They are not blaming George, they talk mostly of the sub prime morgages getting you into the mess. They do not think the response by Congress and George is enough to stop the slide over there. You know the saying if America sneezes the rest of the World catches a cold. Like I say it does not affect me but I know a lot of you are into saving on the Stock Exchange for your retirement. Now do you think this could have been foreseen about two months ago when this mess first broke out????

Somebody must have made a lot of money by selling these policies, whether they were right to do so is another question. Seeing as I do not know your system I cannot comment on it. Were the sellers just looking at the bonuses they would be getting and not at what the people who took out these policies could afford.
The sub prime mortgages get blamed for everything right now. Look in the last few years a red hot real estate market propelled the economy to great heights despite the rising price of oil. Now that the real estate market has cooled off, the price of oil is still high and it is slowly pulling the economy down. The sub prime condition is just a scapegoat for what is really going on.
...the price of oil is still high and it is slowly pulling the economy down. The sub prime condition is just a scapegoat for what is really going on.
Whadda ya mean "what's really goin' on" DB? I thought the economy was goin' gangbusters? I thought the Reagan / Bush economic policies are/were working flawlessly? You mean ta tell me everything ain't rosie here in the good ol' U.S. of A? :eek:

Better not tell ff, Plunk... err I mean Bonzo, Ror... err I mean Birch Barlow or Sledge... they migh not like ya too much! :D :D
Tomorrow will be what I call an opportunity. It's time to buy more stock. Tomorrow will be a typical emotional response. Just watch the news. It'll be doom and gloom and nothing but talk about a recession. The way to cool things down would be to make the tax cuts permanent. It's the unknown that creates this mess. It is typical in an election year. Just look back to 2000. Investors are afraid of a dem as POTUS.
"the price of oil is still high and it is slowly pulling the economy down. The sub prime condition is just a scapegoat for what is really going on."

The well has gone dry most borrowers cannot borrow anymore money to fuel the economy and if they can they will not until the furture looks better. People can adjust their lifestyle to higher oil prices by not using they are sitting on interest payments with no cash on hand. They have maxed the credit cards the Hlocs and are starting to sell what assests they have at a loss just to stop the bleeding.
You crack me up Webo!! As I'm sure you are aware, it is much more fashionable and popular to publicize the negative versus the positive. For instance, unemployment is still low and interest rates are still very low. That is good stuff there. If the price of oil were lower things would be going gangbusters. I'm not sure that I am really in favor of cutting everyone a check this summer as I don't like it when the government decides they need to try and fix economic things. They typically make things worse. As I have said before, cutting spending, particularly on entitlements, and making tax cuts permanent would do more to help keep the economy running strong. I get a kick out of politicians like Chuck Schumer this weekend saying things like what we need are more federal funded public works programs to strengthen the economy.
DB,

Do you honestly think if oil dropped this would all go away? How do you explain avg. credit card balances jumping $2000 since credit tightend 6 months ago? The analyst say it happened because people were robbing peter to pay paul because their number one asset devalued. Also how do you explain the PNW not being hit buy this bug since our gas prices are among the higest in the US?. Home values are strong here comparesd to the rest of the US. Not to worry we always lag by 6 motnhs to t year and stay down longer.
The whole thing reeks of the S & L fiasco a few years back. Some of the rustlers hit it big and some of em got lynched. The only common note is the taxpayer is gonna get screwed as usual. Some one always needs a bail out and John Doe with a job has the only bucket.
Do you honestly think if oil dropped this would all go away? How do you explain avg. credit card balances jumping $2000 since credit tightend 6 months ago? The analyst say it happened because people were robbing peter to pay paul because their number one asset devalued. Also how do you explain the PNW not being hit buy this bug since our gas prices are among the higest in the US?. Home values are strong here comparesd to the rest of the US. Not to worry we always lag by 6 motnhs to t year and stay down longer.
I think that there is a problem with perception versus reality. I also think that all the talk of recession has taken the place of doom and gloom in Iraq. Do I think that if oil dropped this would all go away? Not all, but it would have a very good effect on the national economy. As for credit card balances jumping, I don't know about everyone else, I can only relate how that effected me. I have a Capital One card and have had it for around 6-7 years. This card balance was typically fairly low but last summer the wife's transmission went out and we had a clothes dryer failure so there was a higher balance then normal. During the initial credit crunch C1 raised the rate from 9.9 to 15%. I got on the phone and told them that if they didn't return my rate back to 9.9 I would transfer the balance. They changed it immediately because I have a good credit rating and a good track record with them. I realize a lot of people don't have that option but just raising the interest percentages would contribute quite a bit to the raising of balances. Also the holiday season has something to do with the average balance climbing also. And finally, yes there are quite a few people that have used their homes as ATMs but there isn't much that can be done about that.

As for why the PNW hasn't been hit harder, I only have a theory or two. One is that we have a higher educated population here then a lot of other parts of the country and our employment opportunities have diversified quite a bit in the last 20 years or so. A big Boeing downturn isn't the crisis that it was years ago now and people are still moving here from other parts of the country due to our wide range of employment opportunities. Since the workforce is better educated they earn more money and therefore are better equipped to deal with rising fuel costs. How many guys on this board have newer boats?

It isn't all roses right now but it isn't really that bad either. There are quite a few areas of the country, including here, where real estate prices are stable to rising, and there are some areas where they are declining like Miami, NY and California. Is the glass half full or half empty? :D
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I'm no financial advisor, but I know that right now, the interest rate is perfect for my long term plans. The wife and I just made an offer on the property we hope to die on eventually because of it Tup:

As for those with ARM loans ..... Im sorry for your loss. :eek:

Government regulation for the stupid = stupid.

Nuf said :mrgreen:
Whoa there big fella... I don't know as I'd be callin' everybody who took out an ARM or an interest only stupid! :eek:

What about those young families who sought the "American Dream" of home ownership... but because they lived in a high value area (like western WA) they could never afford the $450,000 it costs just to buy a 3 br 1 bath 1000 sf sh!thole within the Seattle city limits? Some of those 'deals' sounded like the ONLY way a young working couple could afford to buy their first house. Can you honesly blame them for tryin'?

It's real easy to point fingers and blame Joe Public (and they DO deserve some blame here) but I blame predatory lending practices and unscrupulous mortgage brokers just as much as I do stupid borrowers.

Congrats on the land deal! Question though... was it something you had to pull the trigger on right away? The reason I ask is because those interest rates are probably gonna go down another half point within the next 3 months or so... meaning even MORE savings on a 15 or 30 yr fixed! I'm holdin' out 'til late March - early April before I re-fi my residence and rental.
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ok Webo - ya got me.

"most" people went with ARMS because that was the only way they could get into the property they are in. When the balloon hits ... the bubble will most likely pop.

We decided that since we could get our line of credit refinanced at 5.85% and the main house at less then 5.5% it was time to pull the trigger. Thought about risking it but after losing out of the perfect property last summer on a "hunch" I wasnt doing it again for a couple of bucks. I agree with you that it is going to hit 5.1% or maybe even better but the timing is good for us :mrgreen:

Trigger pulled ... shot fired. hopefully by tomorrow we hear the target was struck Tup:
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