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That episode does seem singularly stupid of McCain. Pork is pork whether you serve it in Paris or Olympia. I am trying to consider some extenuating circumstances that might justify the Tanker award. I can find none. Same with having Beretta supply our military side arms rather than an American company. Totally nonsensical. And don't tell me it's to save money.
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About 80% of the way down the article, we see some elemental truth when the watchdog organization identifies Boeing as the biggest reason why they lost this bid. Rail against McCain if you must (and I encourage that!), but he is not the bad guy in this situation.
 

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One of the underlying things of course that isn't mentioned is that all of our Democratic leaders (Cantwell, Dicks, Murray) were all in favor of the lease deal that would have cost the taxpayer 3 times what out right purchasing the planes would have. How is that fiscal responsibility? And while I'm definitely not in favor of the French making even 1 penny off of this country, at least McCain spoke out and challenged the idea of bending the taxpayer over the barrel. No one else did. Shame on the Dems for supporting the earlier bad deal and now trying to make a campaign issue of it with McCain, and shame on Boeing for screwing themselves. Pigs get fat but hogs get slaughtered.
 

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Interesting article, "Democrats target McCain".

The controversy over the Pentagon decision to award a $35bn refuelling tanker contract to Los Angeles based Northrup Grumman spilled into the presidential race yesterday, when a senior Democrat suggested that John McCain, the Republican nominee, was responsible for the deal being "outsourced" to a European company.

The KC-45A will be built by a world-class industrial team led by Northrop Grumman, and includes primary subcontractor EADS North America and General Electric Aviation, Sargent Fletcher, Honeywell, Parker, AAR Cargo Systems, Telephonics and Knight Aerospace.

"I hope the voters of this state remember what John McCain has done to them and their jobs," said Rep. Norm Dicks, D-Wash.

"Having made sure that Iraq gets new schools, roads, bridges and dams that we deny America, now we are making sure that France gets the jobs that Americans used to have," said Rep. Rahm Emanuel, D-Ill. "We are sending the jobs overseas, all because John McCain demanded it."

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., said the earlier tanker deal was "on course for Boeing" "I mean, the thought was that it would be a domestic supplier for it," Pelosi told reporters. "Senator McCain intervened, and now we have a situation where the contract may be â€" this work may be outsourced."

We cannot forget that McCain intervened in the "earlier tanker deal" now, can we?

"In all due respect to the Washington delegation, they vigorously defended the process before â€" which turned out to be corrupt â€" which would have cost the taxpayers more than $6 billion and ended up with people in federal prison," he said. "I'm the one that fought against that ... for years and brought down a corrupt contract." McCain R-AZ said in his own defense.

McCain's role in the tanker deal did not bother Alabama politicians, including Republican Gov. Bob Riley, who endorsed McCain three days after the Air Force contract was announced. The "Northrop-EADS North America" tanker, based on the Airbus A330, will be built in Mobile, Ala., where it will produce 2,000 new jobs, and support 25,000 jobs at suppliers nationwide.

It all goes to show that pork and corruption are good, very, very good, when Democrats are able to utilize the process for their own benefit and that McCain is bad, very, very bad, for exposing the corrupt sweetheart deal, the exposure of which, resulted in felony convictions of a couple of porkers.

See Also: Northrop Grumman Responds to Inaccurate Comments Concerning the U.S. Air Force KC-45A Award Decision

LOS ANGELES - March 5, 2008 - When the process to replace America's aging fleet of KC-135 aerial refueling tankers began in 2005, the U.S. Air Force made clear that it wanted a full and fair competition. Northrop Grumman Corporation (NYSE:NOC) entered the competition with the understanding that if its proposal provided the best value to the warfighter and the American taxpayer, it could win the contract.

Since the Air Force's decision to award Northrop Grumman the KC-45A contract was announced, numerous erroneous comments have been repeated in the media and in Congress. In response, the company wants to make the following points clear:

Industrial Base

* The Northrop Grumman KC-45A tanker program will create a new aerospace manufacturing corridor in the southeastern United States.

* The KC-45A program helps return competitiveness to the U.S. aerospace industry.

Jobs

* The Northrop Grumman KC-45A tanker program does not transfer any jobs from the United States to France or any other foreign country.

* The KC-45A tanker will support more than 25,000 jobs in the United States.

* The KC-45A U.S. supplier base will include 230 companies in 49 states.

* Assembly and militarization of the KC-45A tanker will take place in Mobile, Ala., resulting in the creation of approximately 2,000 direct jobs in the United States.

Acquisition Process

* The KC-45A competition underwent the most rigorous, transparent acquisition process in U.S. Department of Defense history.

* Throughout the process, both competitors in the KC-45A acquisition hailed the Air Force for conducting a fair and open competition.

Foreign Content

* All modern jetliners are built from a global supplier base and the two entrants in the KC-45A competition are no exception. The Boeing tanker includes parts manufactured in Japan, United Kingdom, Canada and Italy. The Northrop Grumman tanker includes parts built in the United Kingdom, Germany, Spain and France.

* The Northrop Grumman KC-45A will include approximately 60 percent U.S. content. It is America's tanker.

Foreign Suppliers to U.S. Military Programs

* There are numerous examples of transatlantic cooperation on vital U.S. military programs. Foreign suppliers currently play essential roles in the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter and the VH-71 Presidential Helicopter. In fact, on the C-27J Joint Cargo Aircraft program, Boeing is responsible for producing the Alenia Aeronautica (Italy) aircraft in Jacksonville, Fla.

* No sensitive military technology will be exported to Europe. For the KC-45A program, a commercial A330 jetliner will be assembled by American workers in EADS's facility in Mobile. The aircraft will then undergo military conversion in an adjacent Northrop Grumman facility. All of the KC-45A's critical military technology will be added by an American company, Northrop Grumman, in America, in Mobile Ala.

Northrop Grumman Corporation is a $32 billion global defense and technology company whose 120,000 employees provide innovative systems, products and solutions in information and services, electronics, aerospace and shipbuilding to government and commercial customers worldwide.
 

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Interesting article, "Democrats target McCain".

The controversy over the Pentagon decision to award a $35bn refuelling tanker contract to Los Angeles based Northrup Grumman spilled into the presidential race yesterday, when a senior Democrat suggested that John McCain, the Republican nominee, was responsible for the deal being "outsourced" to a European company.

The KC-45A will be built by a world-class industrial team led by Northrop Grumman, and includes primary subcontractor EADS North America and General Electric Aviation, Sargent Fletcher, Honeywell, Parker, AAR Cargo Systems, Telephonics and Knight Aerospace.

"I hope the voters of this state remember what John McCain has done to them and their jobs," said Rep. Norm Dicks, D-Wash.

"Having made sure that Iraq gets new schools, roads, bridges and dams that we deny America, now we are making sure that France gets the jobs that Americans used to have," said Rep. Rahm Emanuel, D-Ill. "We are sending the jobs overseas, all because John McCain demanded it."

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., said the earlier tanker deal was "on course for Boeing" "I mean, the thought was that it would be a domestic supplier for it," Pelosi told reporters. "Senator McCain intervened, and now we have a situation where the contract may be â€" this work may be outsourced."

We cannot forget that McCain intervened in the "earlier tanker deal" now, can we?

"In all due respect to the Washington delegation, they vigorously defended the process before â€" which turned out to be corrupt â€" which would have cost the taxpayers more than $6 billion and ended up with people in federal prison," he said. "I'm the one that fought against that ... for years and brought down a corrupt contract." McCain R-AZ said in his own defense.

McCain's role in the tanker deal did not bother Alabama politicians, including Republican Gov. Bob Riley, who endorsed McCain three days after the Air Force contract was announced. The "Northrop-EADS North America" tanker, based on the Airbus A330, will be built in Mobile, Ala., where it will produce 2,000 new jobs, and support 25,000 jobs at suppliers nationwide.

It all goes to show that pork and corruption are good, very, very good, when Democrats are able to utilize the process for their own benefit and that McCain is bad, very, very bad, for exposing the corrupt sweetheart deal, the exposure of which, resulted in felony convictions of a couple of porkers.

See Also: Northrop Grumman Responds to Inaccurate Comments Concerning the U.S. Air Force KC-45A Award Decision

LOS ANGELES - March 5, 2008 - When the process to replace America's aging fleet of KC-135 aerial refueling tankers began in 2005, the U.S. Air Force made clear that it wanted a full and fair competition. Northrop Grumman Corporation (NYSE:NOC) entered the competition with the understanding that if its proposal provided the best value to the warfighter and the American taxpayer, it could win the contract.

Since the Air Force's decision to award Northrop Grumman the KC-45A contract was announced, numerous erroneous comments have been repeated in the media and in Congress. In response, the company wants to make the following points clear:

Industrial Base

* The Northrop Grumman KC-45A tanker program will create a new aerospace manufacturing corridor in the southeastern United States.

* The KC-45A program helps return competitiveness to the U.S. aerospace industry.

Jobs

* The Northrop Grumman KC-45A tanker program does not transfer any jobs from the United States to France or any other foreign country.

* The KC-45A tanker will support more than 25,000 jobs in the United States.

* The KC-45A U.S. supplier base will include 230 companies in 49 states.

* Assembly and militarization of the KC-45A tanker will take place in Mobile, Ala., resulting in the creation of approximately 2,000 direct jobs in the United States.

Acquisition Process

* The KC-45A competition underwent the most rigorous, transparent acquisition process in U.S. Department of Defense history.

* Throughout the process, both competitors in the KC-45A acquisition hailed the Air Force for conducting a fair and open competition.

Foreign Content

* All modern jetliners are built from a global supplier base and the two entrants in the KC-45A competition are no exception. The Boeing tanker includes parts manufactured in Japan, United Kingdom, Canada and Italy. The Northrop Grumman tanker includes parts built in the United Kingdom, Germany, Spain and France.

* The Northrop Grumman KC-45A will include approximately 60 percent U.S. content. It is America's tanker.

Foreign Suppliers to U.S. Military Programs

* There are numerous examples of transatlantic cooperation on vital U.S. military programs. Foreign suppliers currently play essential roles in the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter and the VH-71 Presidential Helicopter. In fact, on the C-27J Joint Cargo Aircraft program, Boeing is responsible for producing the Alenia Aeronautica (Italy) aircraft in Jacksonville, Fla.

* No sensitive military technology will be exported to Europe. For the KC-45A program, a commercial A330 jetliner will be assembled by American workers in EADS's facility in Mobile. The aircraft will then undergo military conversion in an adjacent Northrop Grumman facility. All of the KC-45A's critical military technology will be added by an American company, Northrop Grumman, in America, in Mobile Ala.

Northrop Grumman Corporation is a $32 billion global defense and technology company whose 120,000 employees provide innovative systems, products and solutions in information and services, electronics, aerospace and shipbuilding to government and commercial customers worldwide.
Air bus is a sub ? They will build the plane .
 

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Air bus is a sub ? They will build the plane .
The answer is technically No!

The North American division of the European Aeronautic Defence and Space Company, "EADS", will be the subcontractor responsible for the assembly of the basic airframe in Mobile, Alabama. It will be a clone of the A330 that their Airbus Division builds in Europe.

Airbus will not build the airplane but many of the parts that EADS North America uses will be built by or for their subsidiary Airbus in Europe.

The KC-45A itself will be constructed by Los Angeles based Northrop Grumman at a facility next door to the EADS North America factory where the airframe is assembled.

To reiterate... The KC-45A itself will be built by an industrial team led by Los Angeles based Northrop Grumman, and includes primary subcontractor EADS North America and General Electric Aviation, Sargent Fletcher, Honeywell, Parker, AAR Cargo Systems, Telephonics and Knight Aerospace.

Hope that helps. :mrgreen:
 

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?Soooo. Does that mean we/Airforce will not have to depend on Eurabia for operational spares and logistics?
 
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