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They should hold a drawing to let 30 people have a Sea Lion tag. Tup:
 

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Just curious...statute of limitations, etc...who here has ever whacked a sea dog? I confess...when I worked charters in So Cal I introduced a few to Davy Jones. Where does NOAA come up with 30, and will it help the prob? I think the BIG issue is they are "gutting" the oversize Sturgys...and its the STELLARS doing it. I think all in all, its a typical .gov half step forward...but does NOT address the REAL PROB. Ever dealt with a Pissed off Stellar bull? These are the ones that are gutting the sturgeon..
 

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Just curious...statute of limitations, etc...who here has ever whacked a sea dog? I confess...when I worked charters in So Cal I introduced a few to Davy Jones. Where does NOAA come up with 30, and will it help the prob? I think the BIG issue is they are "gutting" the oversize Sturgys...and its the STELLARS doing it. I think all in all, its a typical .gov half step forward...but does NOT address the REAL PROB. Ever dealt with a Pissed off Stellar bull? These are the ones that are gutting the sturgeon..
I know a guy that carries a .410 shotgun in his boat with him. Hes convinced that # 7 1/2 birdshot will kill a Sea Lion. I told him he better be sure because if it doesn't,that Sea Lion is gonna board your 10' Livingston and make you his wife.
 

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I would say that 90% of the steelhaed we have been catching the last month have had some sort of seal marks.All 5 fish we kept today had marks and 2 had huge bite marks as well. It seem every fish any more has seal or net mark. :cry:
 

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Tup: 30 is not near enough but its a start. the steelhead we caught on the nooch also had seal marks on them sick:
 

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I don't like sea lions because they scare the fish away, but killing them? WTF? They're obeying their natural instincts. I say tranquilize them and transport them to southern OR and drop them off there. Don't friggin kill them for needing to eat.
 

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If we could just put the fear back in the seal, and not think that they will be getting a free lunch. I have had them come up off the back swim step when releasing a undersized hatchery BM and eat the fish before it has a chance to get back down to the bottom. And I can't even count how many flashers, and spoons I have lost to seals.

If we could at least get to use non leathal forms of deterents to at least get a chance to fight a fish without having to horse the fish to the boat hoping to get your lucky spoon back.

Damn Seals :twisted:
 

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Well. It's probably not enough, but it is a start. It's about time to realize that you can't protect one species until it decimates another. But then you have the greedy people problem. What should we do about that.

As far as tranquilizing them and shipping them to southern Oregon is concerned. It's useless. Maybe you haven't been around long enough to remember Hershel. The bunch of Calif. sea lions that where feeding on Salmon and Steelhead at the Ballard locks. They tranquilized them and shipped them to southern Calif. They where back in a week. :(
 

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I don't like sea lions because they scare the fish away, but killing them? WTF? They're obeying their natural instincts. I say tranquilize them and transport them to southern OR and drop them off there. Don't friggin kill them for needing to eat.
Powder. This has been tried in the past. Perhaps you are unaware of Herschel the single largest predator of Cedar River river Steelhead who practiced his deadly game at the boat locks in Seattle. I was part and parcel of the effort in doing just what you suggest, long before it hit the press. Took him to sunny Calif, said good by only to say hi again within two weeks when he showed up right back where we captured him in the first place.
As I asked a PAWS rep once time. Why is it that you protest the killing of a few bad predators and don't care as much and scream for the vastly depleting prey, (read salmon/steelhead)??
 

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I would say that 90% of the steelhaed we have been catching the last month have had some sort of seal marks.All 5 fish we kept today had marks and 2 had huge bite marks as well. It seem every fish any more has seal or net mark. :cry:
I've caught sockeye in lake wenatchee with seal marks on them.
 

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Torchman - I may be wrong - but I think the problem sealions are California sealions, not the Stellar sealions from Alaska, which are also endangered.
 

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I asked a PAWS rep once time. Why is it that you protest the killing of a few bad predators and don't care as much and scream for the vastly depleting prey, (read salmon/steelhead)??[/color][/b]
I'm curious kid 2, Did you get an answer?
 

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This won't amount to much, mark my words. They'll kill 30 and 50 more will pile into the same spot in the next week. It's a prime fishing ground for lions, and it wont be left alone by them after 30 are culled.

What do you do then?

This resolution also doesn't include the rest of the river where 1000's of fishermen are robbed daily by these lions.

So in the end, the 30 that are killed will basically be lions in the wrong spot at the wrong time. The problems will continue at the dam, and it'll be next year or several more years until anything else is done. Problem not solved.
 

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If the indians say that they approve, hopefully they could net a few. They net everything else that makes there way up the rivers. That use to be part of there tradition right? Oh, wait they probly cant get the big $$$ for the lions. IMO Talk is cheap. Action is what we need to see. wink: wink: wink:
 
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