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I thought you voted him in last time, the only difference between Ronnie and him is that one is dead and the other one is brain dead. :lol:
 

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The myth of Reagan continues amongst the lazy brain types here I see. :roll:

No, not the one that he preferred Huggies over Depends- but the one about winning the Cold War….Anyway, late last year there was a brouhaha over a telefilm called The Reagans that was to air on the CBS network. Right wingers were agog that the film reputedly had the audacity to portray ex-First Lady Nancy Reagan as a bitchy domineering shrew and ex-President Ronald Reagan as a senile puppet of Right Wing Masters who did not seem to realize the difference between being the President and acting the President.

So what was the problem? Even Reagan appointees like David Stockman and Donald Regan have long since admitted that no one was home at the Reagan White House, that then-Vice President George Bush was out of the loop, and a few Republican powerbrokers of the decade have admitted that the ‘Trickle Down’ approach to tax reform was a disaster. I guess the Reagan apologists disliked the fact that most Americans don’t look back at the 1980's with the gilted fervor that they do, despite the historical revisionism that occurred even as it was happening. Even Reagan Speechwriter and shill Peggy Noonan admits in her book 'What I Saw at the Revolution': ‘He doesn't really hear very much, and his appearance of constant good humor is connected to his deafness. He misses much of what is not said directly to him, but he assumes it is good.’
In other words- SENILE!

Then, the bastard had to die on 6/5/04. Rather, his body died. His mind died about 30 years earlier, due to Alzheimer’s Disease, although the family only publicly admitted it when they could no longer hide the fact in 1994. Now that a few months have passed I want to comment on the man’s life and death.

Despite the Right Wing’s lunatic claims of a Left Wing Media, the Teflon President’s eight year free ride continued into death, with nary a negative comment from the major media outlets. His State Funeral- where the body was flown to DC, from California, to lie in state, then back, all on the public dole (ironic, eh?)- became a national holiday. Yet, it was as big a lie as many others Reagan propounded. From ‘Morning in America’ to ‘family values’ to AIDS awareness to the media manufactured ‘crack’ epidemic to ‘Star Wars’ to the firing of air traffic controllers (PATCO) to the beginning of the decline of middle class buying power (steadily growing since World War 2) to the demonizing of the word ‘liberal’ to ‘Supply Side Economics’ to the ‘War on Drugs’ to the bastardization of the word ‘conservative’ to the documented senility of the President to Iran-Contra to ‘Trickle Down’; the Reagan 80's were a decade of regress for the USA.

They were also a time when style finally overtook substance as the dominant meter of political effectiveness. Yes, it may have begun with Kennedy, been twisted by Clinton, suckled by W., but in the annals of the American Presidency there was no administration more wholly enraptured by the idea of mythos than the Reagan Presidency. So much so that there was no margin for error in the mythmaking- it was immediate and wholesale. Fortunately, just about all of these lies, fallacies, and flat-out sillinesses have found the Main Street dumpster- even as a few John Birchers suckle on.

Instead of Reagan-bashing the national media quickly sided with Reagan, especially after his surviving the assassination attempt by John Hinckley. Yet, what long odds did he face? By rendering criticism of Reagan verboten, conservatives kybosh their own philosophy- for Reagan was not a Conservative. It’s also difficult to fool history. Worse than the media’s stoop-kneed fealty to Reagan was that even Senator John Kerry, the Democratic Presidential nominee, cancelled engagements during Reagan’s multi-day Death Extravaganza!
He vividly opposed much of the Reagan policies, yet acted as if it were somehow unpatriotic, or impolite (or impolitic?) to criticize a dead man’s life. Imagine Fox News, Rush Limbaugh, or Dick Cheney taking time off to honor, or praising, President Carter when he dies.

But, of all of the myths spun in those years there is one that has yet to be expunged from the bosom of most Americans - much less Conservatives. That is the canard that Ronald Reagan ‘won’ the Cold War. Even Richard Nixon decried this claim as a myth. Before just touching on some of the more obvious specifics that disprove this notion, let’s just take the statement at face value. Let’s agree that it was so. Let us now ask what the cost of this victory was, for surely such sober thinkers, as Conservatives decree themselves, would have to admit that a Pyrrhic victory is one worth arguing the costs.

To gain Reagan’s ‘victory’ the tax burden- supposedly relieved- in this country was shifted further onto the backs of the middle class and away from the rich, as the whole tax burden of the country actually increased- despite myths to the contrary - but still could not keep up with the record military waste. Requiring that most families have two incomes. Thus making the ‘nuclear’ family ideal Republicans cherished obsolete, meaning parental guidance was lessened, meaning more kids had free time to experiment with sex and drugs, which was handy, since more kids needed to work since there was a greater chance their parents were stuck in lower-paying ‘service’ jobs, which replaced higher paying manufacturing jobs. The greater time and buying power afforded the young allowed them to help spread AIDS via unprotected sex, because birth control funding was cut, and drug use, funded by the drug-dealing contras and other ‘anti-Communist’ drug-dealing CIA stooges in Central America and Central Asia, which only furthered the view of decadent Ugly Americans plundering the Third World, fueling extremist groups like the Taliban and Al Quaeda to denounce us even as we paid for their education in terror tactics in the Afghan-Russian War.

In order to defeat Russia- a foe we never lost a single life to in 20th Century combat (save for a handful of Americans who tried to stop the 1917 Revolution on Russian soil) - Reagan helped arm Saddam Hussein, which precipitated Gulf Wars 1 and 2. He also supported dictatorships in Latin America which fueled the rise of narco-terrorists like Pablo Escobar, a man protected by his countrymen because he stood against dictatorship and built baseball fields for poor children, even as he was responsible for far more death and carnage in America in the 1980's than Osama bin Laden has inflicted in the 2000's.

Oh yeah, Osama was one of those men trained in terrorism by Reagan’s CIA. Want more? Remember that tax windfall the Reagan rich got as the middle class sagged? They spent their windfall investing in LBOs, which led to wholesale mergermania, which led to reduced quality and service levels in everything from telecommunications to the airline industry to banking to the drug and food industries. As the LBO pyramid schemes collapsed the Savings & Loan industry went with it. America was stuck with bailing out S & Ls to the tune of nearly half a trillion dollars. But average people were saving less, because they were earning less, and encouraged to consume more. So where did all the money to pay for the military buildup come from? From a debt that was so large that even President Clinton’s smoke and mirrors could not make it go away for more than a year or two and is now on the bill for people who have yet to become functioning gametes.

Let’s also ask if the world is a better and safer place. To most of the states of the former Soviet Empire new dictatorships have replaced the old; crime and poverty are on the rise, and previously checked ethnic excesses- like the genocides in the Balkans, Africa, and Iraq have been unleashed. So, too has nuclear responsibility shifted from a single Soviet Premier to tin pot potentates in Korea, Israel, and the Subcontinent.

In America bad dreams of nuclear mushrooms have been replaced by real memories of falling skyscrapers, economic stability is a thing most people under 35 do not even recall, and every one of the Reagan myths above have proved wisps.

Still, it’s a good thing that any murderous regime is gone. Even, it can be argued, if the costs may have outweighed the benefits. But the idea that Reagan’s wasteful buildup of the military was what won the Cold War is downright silly. It’s akin to seeing a camel whose back could break if a feather were added and instead dropping Halley’s Comet on it. Reagan was merely the bank guard asleep on duty when the Soviet collapse happened. Does anyone hold Nixon responsible for the Apollo Moon landings or Clinton for the birth of the Internet?

There were two main reasons the Soviet Empire fell - first was its own internal cannibalism, waste, and rot, and the second was decades of American Presidencies which opposed it. Let’s look at the latter first.
Despite the myth of FDR’s being run over roughshod by Stalin at Yalta, it was FDR who initiated the Manhattan Project with the immediate aim of defeating Germany and Japan, but the long-term goal of checking Soviet aggression. It was another Democrat - Harry Truman- whose administration formulated the Truman Doctrine of American opposition to all Soviet aggression, based on the Domino Theory, and employed in the Berlin Airlift.
It was former General Eisenhower whose Presidency carried on the Cold War from Korea to South America to Vietnam to the Bay of Pigs planning. JFK got us through the Cuban Missile Crisis (imagine had Reagan been at the helm then!), continued the Cold War and truly dealt what was probably a far greater financial blow to the long term Soviet economic future than Reagan’s military buildup by engaging in the decade-long race to the Moon.

LBJ expanded the war in Indochina, taxing Soviet coffers. Nixon fractured the Soviet-China relationship which led to more wasteful defense spending by the Soviets against a next door superpower. Ford and Carter expanded support for Soviet opposition in Latin America and Africa. Yet, the man at the end of the line when this all came to a head, is solely responsible? Thank you, thank you, I will now take credit for the Big Bang since obviously it was all meant to lead up to moi.

In truth, the Soviets saw their economic demise coming in the late 1970's, after wasting their country’s wealth in space and a three decades long tit for tat engagement with America. They sought to cut spending on the military so they could still retain power. It was not until Reagan’s wasteful spending allowed Kremlin hardliners like Yuri Andropov to portray us as expansionist aggressors again that the teetering Soviet Empire righted itself and extended its reign for another decade. Yet, even Andropov was not a Stalinist - more bravado over tooth.
In 1982, stung by the Afghanistan disaster, he set about trying to strengthen the Soviet economy by disengaging it from foreign struggles. Far from winning the Cold War, Reagan was more akin the football kicker who missed a game-winning chip shot at the end of regulation time, then tried to claim credit for victory when the Soviets threw a game losing interception in overtime. I haven’t even mentioned the role of 1980's Japanese investment, and Soviet debt to that country, in tearing apart the Soviet political infrastructure.

Diplomat and historian George F. Kennan, the man who in the 40's & 50's crafted the American Cold war policy of containment said, ‘The suggestion that any United States administration had the power to influence decisively the course of a tremendous domestic political upheaval in another great country on another side of the globe is simply childish.’ Reagan’s militarization strengthened hard-liners in the Soviet Union, and delayed the Soviet Union’s fall.

Proof of the rot of the Soviet Empire comes from the fact that they could not - by 1980 - even defeat Afghanistan on their own border. We did this a couple years ago in a few months- from half a world away. Imagine trying to convince Europe that we were a threat if we could not invade and capture Baja California. Yet, Reagan defeated the Soviets by telling Gorby to ‘Tear down this wall!’? Just like he stood up for peace and liberty by funding the butchering Contras in Nicaragua or the ‘anti-communist’ rebels who murdered nearly 100,000 of their fellow Angolans? In short, Reagan’s winning the cold war has as much credence as Saddam Hussein’s having ‘weapons of mass destruction’- another convenient Right Wing myth.

So why has this downright silly myth persisted while one-by-one the rest of the Reagan deceptions have fallen by the wayside? Rather simply it’s because the other myths had no other manifestations of their ‘supposed’ truths. Family values did not square with curtailing women’s right to an abortion, the hundreds of American Marine deaths in the bombing of Lebanon disproved Reagan was a strong military leader vis-á-vis Carter’s Iran hostage crisis, his shoe-polished hair belied his mind and body’s infirmities. Iran-Contra proved he had no regard for the law, nor ethics- the Contra killers were not on a par with Georger Washington and co. Trickle down economics never moistened the majority of America, the Great Communicator was only so when he had a teleprompter in front of him, and others’ words. The firing of PATCO led to the worst decade of air safety since before the Great Depression- that Washington DC’s airport was renamed after Reagan is a piss in the face of the fired PATCO air traffic controllers, and all working class Americans.

But the Soviet Union did fall, and Presidents tend to get unfairly blamed for alot of things they deserve no credit for, as well as get praise for the same reason. Regan was an effective President, but that’s not equivalent to being a good one, for almost all his effects were negative. Most Presidential polls rank Reagan in the bottom of the top half of Presidents, usually citing this very ‘effectiveness, and ‘winning the Cold War’- in short, based on negative traits, and non-existent ones. I’d rank him in the bottom third, even the bottom 10. Yet, true believers soldier on in their merry mythmaking. To them I’d ask, if Reagan were somehow God’s chosen man, then why did God punish him with Alzheimer’s? (Eerie, that the man who opposed stem cell research may have benefited from it.)

Fortunately historians are a far more impassive lot than most true believers and this myth will similarly be vetted. Until then, just remember- if it were not for the end of the Cold War we’d not have the Rainbow Alert system we now have. Sure beats a drab old fallout shelter, doesn’t it?

© Dan Schneider Oct 20th 2004
 

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Not even going to read Divider's lies.

I'm beginning to dislike you, a LOT. You're backing a person of questionable intent AND character, and you want to tell people Reagan wasn't what he was.
 

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As if the opinion of the undisputed biggest gas bag on the internet matters.

Here's some more stuff for you 'not to read' :

Ronald Reagan was the second worst President in American history. Instead of dealing with the facts and adverse consequences of Reagan's presidency, conservatives have engaged in a multi-billion dollar propaganda campaign to lionize Ronald Reagan.

The right wing propaganda strategy is simple. Lionize Reagan, (legacy, reaganesque) create a Teflon persona, try to immunize Reagan from criticism, and then attempt to validate RW conservatism through Reagan. They do this because RW conservatism, the ideology, has been, is, and always will be an utter failure.

But it's time we obliterate the Ronald Reagan myths and point out the real record. It's time we automatically use phrases like disaster, terrorist coddler, middle class tax increaser, pessimist, and failure to aptly describe Mr. 666 himself, Ronald Wilson Reagan. Considering his real record, these phrases are understatements.

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Ronald Reagan had little or no effect in defeating communism in the Soviet Union. Communism officially collapsed long after Reagan left office and for reasons (internal, Eastern Europe bloc, technology, etc...) unrelated to the Gipper.
Ronald Reagan signed the largest middle class tax increases in world history.
Reagan accumulated more debt against our treasury in 8 years than all previous presidents combined had done in 192 years.
More banks closed during 8 years of Reagan than they had in the previous 192 years combined.
Ronald Reagan provided the training and weapons to Osama Bin Laden which formed the base for Al Qaeda.
Ronald Reagan gaves arms to Hezbollah.
More members of Ronald Reagan's administration were indicted or jailed (139) than any other previous administration in American history.
91% of Americans saw their standard of living decline during the 1980s.
Reagan actively supported the apartheid government of South Africa.
The poverty rate rose by 6 million people in America from 1980 to 1988.
America ranked 1st worldwide in manufacturing in 1980. When Reagan left office, America was ranked 13th.
Under Reagan, America went from the largest creditor nation in the world to the largest debtor nation.
Bitburg, Germany. Reagan called Nazi soldiers "innocent victims."
Reagan opposed the Equal Rights Amendment for women.
Reagan ignored the murders of 241 dead marines in Beirut. Instead of pursuing the murderers, Reagan invaded a classroom in Grenada the following day.
Nuclear weapons proliferated throughout the 1980s. Many of these loose nukes are still out there.
College tuition costs rose dramatically during Reagan's presidency.
Reagan cut student loans.
Reagan overruled the NASA scientists engineers who warned of potential problems and decided to send the Challenger up into space anyway (because he wanted the photo-op) prior to correcting the problems.
Reagan proposed making ketchup a vegetable for school lunches.
Reagan engaged in union busting activities that hurt labor and workers.
James Watt was Reagan's secretary of the interior. Watt once said, "We don't have to protect the environment, the 2nd coming of Christ is at hand."
Reagan ignored the growing AIDS crisis out of pure bigotry and hatred during the first few years of his presidency.
Ollie North and Iran Contra.
Reagan appointed Antonin Scalia to the United States Supreme Court.
Reagan promoted William Rehnquist to chief justice of the US Supreme Court.
Reagan supported the Taliban in Afghanistan.
Since the Great Depression, Reagan presided over the biggest 1 day losses in the stock market in American history.
The federal share of education spending dropped by 50% during the 1980s as a percent of the total share. (12% to 6%)
Reagan cut Medicare.
Reagan raised social security taxes.
Ronald Reagan dramatically increased the amount of spending by the federal government, mostly on waste.
Reagan was a disciple of Joe McCarthy who engaged in witchhunts against so called communists in Hollywood during the 1950s.
Ronald Reagan opposed the 1964 Civil Rights Act.
America's national debt more than tripled under Ronald Reagan.
The Savings and Loans scandals and disaster.
Reagan cut school lunch programs.
Star Wars. As Mitterand once said, "What planet is he living on?"
Reagan deregulated the media industry leading to the monopolies we have today.
The arms for hostages deal with Iran.
Reagan the horrible father once publicly said that his son should undergo a psychiatric evaluation.
The multiple Reagan recessions.
His treatment of Jane Wyman.
Ronald Reagan supported Bob Jones University, including its sexist, racist, and miscegeny policies.
Ronald Reagan tried to abolish the US Dept. of Education.
Reagan sought to abolish Social Security, said in 1975 that he wanted to make it voluntary.
Ronald Reagan cut back on job training programs.
Reagan cut back on Veterans benefits.
Economically speaking, the 1980s saw slower growth than any previous decade since WWII.
Poverty rates increased by over one-third during Reagan's presidency.
The Michael Deaver Scandals.
A presidency on 2 by 4 index cards.
His claims about not remembering on Iran Contra made Reagan, in the words of Barry Goldwater, either incompetent or a liar.
Bribes, kickbacks, and pay for play were the norm of this corrupt administration.
Federal spending of national income was higher in 1988 than it ever was under Jimmy Carter.
Ronald Reagan's tax bill of 1986 raised taxes on small businesses.
Reagan tried to abolish the Dept. of Energy.
Reagan the racist once said that Africans eat each other.
Reagan cut education scholarships.
Reagan fired all the air traffic comptrollers thus weakening air safety.
Reagan's tax policies led to higher local income and property taxes.
Payroll taxes increased under Ronald Reagan.
Excise taxes increased under Roanld Reagan.
Reagan allowed big business to rape American's national parks by giving them tax free leases to drill on public lands.
The Laffer Curve and napkin economics.
Median wages in real dollars fell during the 1980s.
Unemployment hit double digits under Ronald Reagan.
Reagan weakened anti trust laws.
Reagan was the spokesman of General Electric during the heyday of their electric price fixing scandals.
More servicemen died during "peacetime" during Reagan's presidency than any other presidency prior to his.
Reagan increased gas taxes, then called it a user fee.
Reagan's policies put small farmers out of work, allowing agri-business conglomerates to monopolize the industry.
Despite rarely praying himself, Ronald Reagan wanted to impose government prayer on American citizens.
Reagan supported NAFTA.
Ronald Reagan undermined the right of collective bargaining for workers.
Ronald Reagan tried to undo child labor law protections.
Ronald Reagan tried to undo laws outlawing sweatshops.
Ronald Reagan cut back on housing assistance for the elderly by almost 50%.
The number of fines and penalties against employers who engaged in wrongful activity was reduced by over 70% during Reagan's presidency.
The GDP plunged during Reagan's presidency.
Reagan increased federal government spending by over 80% during his 8 years in the White House.
Reagan began his campaign for presidency in Philadelphia, Mississippi, preaching the same rhetoric as the murderers who killed 3 civil right workers (Schwerned, Goodman, Cheney) in 1963.
Home foreclosures rose dramatically during the 1980s.
Abortion rates went up during the 1980s.
Teenage pregnancy rates went up during the 1980s.
Reagan singlehandedly turned California's education system from the best in America to one of the worst in America in just two terms as governor.
Reagan once said that trees were the single biggest cause of pollution.
Reagan supported Jonas Savimbe, the brutal dictator and mass murderer of Angolans.
Reagan supported the brutal AFrican dictator Mobitu who murdered millions of innocent people.
Reagan supported Pinochet, the murderous dictator of Chile.
Reagan supported Fernando Marcos, the murderous dictator of the Phillipines.
Reagan supported Indonesian's murderous dictator Suharto.
Reagan gave chemical weapons to Saddam Hussein, the murderous dictator of Iraq.
Reagan supported the ayatollahs of Iran.
Reagan, through the IMF, changed policies which led to poorer nations being unable to get out of debt.
Ronald Reagan doled out more corporate welfare than any previous President in American history.
Reagan gutted the clean air act.
Reagan gutted the clean water act.
Reagan opposed cleaning up toxic waste sites.
REagan cut funding for Legal Aid.
Reagan supported the murderous regime in Nicaragua which took office by a coup after democratic elections to the contrary.
Reagan supported a murderous dictator in Panama.
Reagan supported the murderous dictatorship regime of Argentina in the 1980s which would kidnap over 1 million children at gunpoint because their parents were considered "leftists."
Reagan supported the brutal, murderous government of Singapore.
Reagan supported the murderous dicatorship in El Salvador.
Reagan supported the murderous dictatorship in Haiti.
Margaret Thatcher, destroyer of Great Britain, and the worst prime minister in England's history, adored him.
Even Richard Nixon once described Ronald Reagan as a very weird guy.
Ronald Reagan signed the largest tax increase in California's history.
Reagan supported the brutal murderous regime of the Khmer Rouge in Cambodia.
Reagan supported the murderous regime of Efrain Rios Montt in Guatemala that murdered over 100,000 people. Reagan claimed Montt was getting a "bum rap."
Reagan cut funding for birth control.
Reagan was the only president where debt exceeded gross national product.
Reagan cut funding for Head Start.
Ronald Reagan opposed a woman's right to choose.
Reagan gave away over a billion tons of government coal in Wyoming to Big Business.
Reagan equated the Mujahadeen and Osama Bin Laden to America's founding fathers.
Reagan tried to abolish affirmative action programs.
Reagan supported the murderous regime of Manuel Noriega.
Reagan supported Botha's policies of murder in South Africa.
Reagan's embrace of Barry Goldwater's extremist platform in 1964.
The Housing market bust of the late 1980s.
Voodoo economics as a whole.
If you add up all the murderous regimes Reagan supported and tabulated the death tolls, Reagan would rank as one of the world's five biggest murders, slightly behind Hitler and Stalin.
Ronald Reagan opposed proposals to reduce the harms of acid rain on the environment.
600 dollar toilet seats.
Farm foreclosures reached record highs during the 1980s.
Unemployment claims increased during the 1980s.
The number of bankruptcy claims filed increased during the 1980s.
Malnutrition rates increased during the 1980s.
REagan cut low income housing funds by over 80% during the first two years of his presidency.
Reagan the ra once described black women as "welfare queens."
Ronald Reagan tried to lower the minimum wage for younger workers.
Reagan cut OSHA (Occupational Safety + Health Administration) staffing and enforcement by over one-third.
Reagan tried to undo Title Nine and equal education laws.
Reagan cut back on EEOC enforcement of gender discrimination by 50% despite a 25% increase in claims during his presidency.
As Governor, after migrant workers protested the inhumane conditions at the vineyards, Reagan went on TV and started eating grapes.
Health care costs skyrocketed because of Reagan's deregulation policies.
Bedtime for Bonzo.
Reagan exempted the sugar cane industry from the fair labor standards act.
Reagan signed an executive order instituting the infamous gag rule regarding abortion.
Reagan sought to ban forms of contraception.
Murder rates increased during the 1980s.
Drug use increased during the 1980s.
Teen smoking rates increased during the 1980s.
Interest rates reached 20% at one point during Reagan's presidency.
Reagan taxed people's savings from their bank accounts, which had previously been tax free.
EPA enforcement rates declined 79% during Reagan's presidency.
Reagan favored school vouchers which would severely undermine the quality of education in America.
Reagan cut school construction funding as governor of California.
As governor, Ronald Reagan increased the sales tax.
As governor, Ronald Reagan's first budget increased spending by 23% even though Reagan campaigned on "less spending."
Reagan once claimed that Vietnam Vets were not entitled to the GI Bill of Rights because Vietnam was not a declared war.
Caspar the criminal Weinberger.
Reagan tried to dramatically cut the Superfunds for environmental cleanup.
Reagan thought that working 20 hours a week was hard work.
Callous Reagan's response to people being hungry. "They're dieting."
The number of business failures in Reagan's first term tripled the number of business failures during Carter's presidency.
The Ed Meese scandals at the Dept. of Justice.
As President of the Screen Actors Guild, Reagan helped blacklist many people from work as alleged communists. But when Nancy Davis came to him and said she was on the list by mistake, Reagan had her name removed from that list and later married her.
The events surrounding Pan Am flight 103.
Against the advice of the military, Reagan housed the marines in
Lebanon on land instead of at sea.

Only 1 member of Reagan's cabinet remained for the entire 8 years.
Alexander Haig was his first Secretary of State.
As Governor, Reagan ordered California state patrol onto a campus where a 25 year old man from San Jose was murdered by an overzealous officer.
Reagan often referred to his wife Nancy as "Mommie." (In all fairness this may be one of the most honest momemts in Reagan's life.)
Reagan claimed he fought in WWII. He was in a movie.
AIDSgate.
Ironically enough, the most expensive building in Washington to construct is named after Ronald Reagan.
Reagan was not an optimist. He truly hated large numbers of people and his policies reflected this pessimism.
Reagan admits that he never saw grades above Cs.
Despite trying to shove religion down everyone's throat, Reagan rarely went to church and rarely practiced what he preached.
Reagan couldn't even recognize his own son at his high school graduation.
Reagan was a distant and abusive father who ignored his own kids.
Reagan was the first divorced president in American history.
Reagan's 2nd wife Nancy Davis hired an astrologist to plan some of Reagan's days as President.
Reagan once said, "All the waste in a year from a nuclear power plant can be stored under a desk."
Reagan once said, "A tree is a tree. How many more do you need to look at?"
Reagan once said, "facts are stupid things."
Reagan once said, "I am not worried about the deficit. It is big enough to take care of itself."
Reagan admitted to falling asleep during Cabinet meetings.
Reagan once said, "It's true hard work never killed anybody but I figure, why take the chance?"
Reagan once said, "My fellow Americans, I am pleased to announce that I have just signed legislation which outlaws Russia forever. Bombing begins in five minutes."
REagan once said, "trees cause more pollution than automobiles."
Reagan once said, "the state should not subsidize intellectual curiosity."
Reagan once said of people whom he considered hippies and free speech advocates on college campuses that they "should be taken by the scruff of the neck and thrown off campus --- permanently."
Reagan once said about protestors on college campuses, "If it takes a bloodbath, let's get it over with."
Reagan once said, "It's silly talking about how many years we will have to spend in the jungles of Vietnam when we could pave the whole country and put parking stripes on it and still be home for Christmas."
Reagan once said, "Unemployment insurance is a pre-paid vacation for freeloaders."
Reagan once said, "Growing and decaying vegetation in the land are responsible for 93% of the oxides of nitrogen."
Reagan once called Medicaid recipients, "a faceless mass waiting for handouts."
Reagan the homophobe once called homosexuality "a tragic illness."
Reagan once said, "Jefferson Davis is a hero of mine."
Reagan once said, "Fascism was really the basis for the New Deal."
Reagan's Interior Secretary James Watt once said to describe a panel he appointed, "A black, a woman, two Jews, and a cripple."
 

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As if the opinion of the undisputed biggest gas bag on the internet matters.
Coming from the biggest scumbag socialist on the internet, I consider that a compliment.
 

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The canonization of Ronald Reagan rests crucially on one thing Reagan himself did well: forgetting the facts. It seems timely to exhume a few.Tags politics Share Digg del.icio.us Reddit Newsvine Ronald Reagan was a saint, a commanding leader, the gold standard of principled conservatism against whom all current and future Republicans should be measured. This is the new mantra coming out of the Republican race for the presidency as the current crop of candidates scramble, quite understandably, to distance themselves from the walking disaster that is George W. Bush.

In the Fox News-hosted “debate� among the Republican hopefuls, Ron Paul, Rudi Giuliani and others were quick to wrap themselves in the Reagan mantle. When Fred Thompson—actor turned politician—entered the race, he evoked huge sighs of relief among Republicans, who see him as the one best able to recapture the Gipper’s magic. Coincidentally, Reagan’s diaries, edited by Douglas Brinkley, have just been published and also seek to cast him as “a true American leader�.

While much of the neocon agenda is in tatters right now, certainly one of its most successful achievements has been the canonization of Ronald Reagan, which rests crucially on one thing Reagan himself did so well: forgetting the facts. So it’s time to exhume a few.

First to go is the myth that Reagan was the most popular president since FDR. Fairness & Accuracy in Reporting reminds us, “During the first two years of Reagan’s presidency, the public was giving President Reagan the lowest level of approval of all modern elected presidents. Reagan’s average first-year approval rating was 58 percent—lower than Dwight Eisenhower’s 69 percent, Jack Kennedy’s 75 percent, Richard Nixon’s 61 percent and Jimmy Carter’s 62 percent.� At the end of his second year, (remember the Reagan recession?) Reagan’s approval rating was 41 percent; after the Iran-Contra scandal was revealed, Reagan’s approval rating stood at 46 percent. His approval rating for his entire presidency was lower than Kennedy’s, Eisenhower’s and even Johnson’s, and at times he was one of the most unpopular presidents in recent history.

Also forgotten is Reagan’s own embarrassing propensity to just make things up. Reagan was a dunce and a fabricator. One of his most famous assertions was, “Trees cause more pollution than automobiles do,� and he maintained, wrongly, that sulfur dioxide emitted from Mount St. Helens was greater than that emitted by cars over a 10-year period. (In one day, cars emit 40 times what Mount St. Helens released in a day even at its peak activity.) In 1985, Reagan praised the P.W. Botha’s apartheid regime of South Africa for eliminating segregation, a blunder then-Press Secretary Larry Speakes had to correct a few days later.

Other examples abound: During a 1983 Congressional Medal of Honor ceremony Reagan told a story about military heroism that New York Daily News columnist Lars-Erik Nelson wrote never happened. Nelson had checked the citations on all 434 Congressional Medals of Honor awarded during WWII. The scene Reagan described did appear, however, in the 1944 film A Wing and a Prayer. Larry Speakes’ response? “If you tell the same story five times, it’s true.�

And let’s not forget the wages of “trickle down� economics and “Reaganomics,� from which we have still not recovered. In 1982, the Congressional Budget Office found that taxpayers earning under $10,000 lost an average of $240 from Reagan’s 1981 tax cuts, while those earning more than $80,000 gained an average of $15,130. By that fall, the jobless rate hit 10.1 percent—the worst in 42 years, and a year later 11.9 million were out of work. In 1983, the country’s poverty rate rose to 15 percent, the highest level since the mid-’60s. In 1984, a congressional study reported that cuts in welfare had pushed more than 500,000 people—the majority of them children—into poverty. Then-Attorney General Ed Meese’s response? “I don’t know of any authoritative figures that there are hungry children … people go to soup kitchens because the food is free and that’s easier than paying for it.�

The neocons would have us believe that Reagan was also a foreign policy genius. Space prevents me from detailing his administration’s adventures and blunders in Grenada, in Beirut and the visit to the Nazi cemetery in Bitburg. So let’s just remember aid to the Nicaraguan Contras, whom Reagan likened to the Founding Fathers, and the revelation that the CIA had produced a manual that taught them, in part, how to kidnap and “neutralize� government officials. Iran-Contra—the secret and illegal selling of weapons to our sworn enemy, Iran, to then fund the Contras—was both a constitutional disaster and a foreign policy blunder about which we were asked to believe Reagan knew nothing. His administration was also thoroughly corrupt: Eight senior officials in his administration were indicted.

Fabrication, lying, cruel and counterproductive policies at home and abroad, bloating of the deficit, widening the gap between rich and poor: These are the Reagan legacy. As Republican candidates seek to wear his mantle, their Democratic opponents need to remind Americans exactly what they are putting on.

Susan J. Douglasn small businesses.
Reagan tried to abolish the Dept. of Energy.
Reagan the racist once said that Africans eat each other.
Reagan cut education scholarships.
Reagan fired all the air traffic comptrollers thus weakening air safety.
Reagan's tax policies led to higher local income and property taxes.
Payroll taxes increased under Ronald Reagan.
Excise taxes increased under Roanld Reagan.
Reagan allowed big business to rape American's national parks by giving them tax free leases to drill on public lands.
The Laffer Curve and napkin economics.
Median wages in real dollars fell during the 1980s.
Unemployment hit double digits under Ronald Reagan.
Reagan weakened anti trust laws.
Reagan was the spokesman of General Electric during the heyday of their electric price fixing scandals.
More servicemen died during "peacetime" during Reagan's presidency than any other presidency prior to his.
Reagan increased gas taxes, then called it a user fee.
Reagan's policies put small farmers out of work, allowing agri-business conglomerates to monopolize the industry.
Despite rarely praying himself, Ronald Reagan wanted to impose government prayer on American citizens.
Reagan supported NAFTA.
Ronald Reagan undermined the right of collective bargaining for workers.
Ronald Reagan tried to undo child labor law protections.
Ronald Reagan tried to undo laws outlawing sweatshops.
Ronald Reagan cut back on housing assistance for the elderly by almost 50%.
The number of fines and penalties against employers who engaged in wrongful activity was reduced by over 70% during Reagan's presidency.
The GDP plunged during Reagan's presidency.
Reagan increased federal government spending by over 80% during his 8 years in the White House.
Reagan began his campaign for presidency in Philadelphia, Mississippi, preaching the same rhetoric as the murderers who killed 3 civil right workers (Schwerned, Goodman, Cheney) in 1963.
Home foreclosures rose dramatically during the 1980s.
Abortion rates went up during the 1980s.
Teenage pregnancy rates went up during the 1980s.
Reagan singlehandedly turned California's education system from the best in America to one of the worst in America in just two terms as governor.
Reagan once said that trees were the single biggest cause of pollution.
Reagan supported Jonas Savimbe, the brutal dictator and mass murderer of Angolans.
Reagan supported the brutal AFrican dictator Mobitu who murdered millions of innocent people.
Reagan supported Pinochet, the murderous dictator of Chile.
Reagan supported Fernando Marcos, the murderous dictator of the Phillipines.
Reagan supported Indonesian's murderous dictator Suharto.
Reagan gave chemical weapons to Saddam Hussein, the murderous dictator of Iraq.
Reagan supported the ayatollahs of Iran.
Reagan, through the IMF, changed policies which led to poorer nations being unable to get out of debt.
Ronald Reagan doled out more corporate welfare than any previous President in American history.
Reagan gutted the clean air act.
Reagan gutted the clean water act.
Reagan opposed cleaning up toxic waste sites.
REagan cut funding for Legal Aid.
Reagan supported the murderous regime in Nicaragua which took office by a coup after democratic elections to the contrary.
Reagan supported a murderous dictator in Panama.
Reagan supported the murderous dictatorship regime of Argentina in the 1980s which would kidnap over 1 million children at gunpoint because their parents were considered "leftists."
Reagan supported the brutal, murderous government of Singapore.
Reagan supported the murderous dicatorship in El Salvador.
Reagan supported the murderous dictatorship in Haiti.
Margaret Thatcher, destroyer of Great Britain, and the worst prime minister in England's history, adored him.
Even Richard Nixon once described Ronald Reagan as a very weird guy.
Ronald Reagan signed the largest tax increase in California's history.
Reagan supported the brutal murderous regime of the Khmer Rouge in Cambodia.
Reagan supported the murderous regime of Efrain Rios Montt in Guatemala that murdered over 100,000 people. Reagan claimed Montt was getting a "bum rap."
Reagan cut funding for birth control.
Reagan was the only president where debt exceeded gross national product.
Reagan cut funding for Head Start.
Ronald Reagan opposed a woman's right to choose.
Reagan gave away over a billion tons of government coal in Wyoming to Big Business.
Reagan equated the Mujahadeen and Osama Bin Laden to America's founding fathers.
Reagan tried to abolish affirmative action programs.
Reagan supported the murderous regime of Manuel Noriega.
Reagan supported Botha's policies of murder in South Africa.
Reagan's embrace of Barry Goldwater's extremist platform in 1964.
The Housing market bust of the late 1980s.
Voodoo economics as a whole.
If you add up all the murderous regimes Reagan supported and tabulated the death tolls, Reagan would rank as one of the world's five biggest murders, slightly behind Hitler and Stalin.
Ronald Reagan opposed proposals to reduce the harms of acid rain on the environment.
600 dollar toilet seats.
Farm foreclosures reached record highs during the 1980s.
Unemployment claims increased during the 1980s.
The number of bankruptcy claims filed increased during the 1980s.
Malnutrition rates increased during the 1980s.
REagan cut low income housing funds by over 80% during the first two years of his presidency.
Reagan the ra once described black women as "welfare queens."
Ronald Reagan tried to l
 

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Tee Hee. Sounds like the oracle of things left handed is hard up for an issue. Hell everyone knows that the Peanut Farmer was one of the most titanic disasters the US has had to endure. Paper Tiger was earned for us by Jim boy.
 

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No doubt Divider is clueless. He doesn't understand why Reagan was elected, TWICE and why Bush was elected TWICE.

Maybe he's HOPING Obama will give him some spare CHANGE.
 

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Reagan ignored the murders of 241 dead marines in Beirut. Instead of pursuing the murderers, Reagan invaded a classroom in Grenada the following day.
 

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FS the only reason The Beloved One was elected a second time round is that he managed to frighten enough Americans into thinking that the Arabs were coming over in their dhows to attack America. Now three years down the line they know that they were followed into thinking that.

Just look at the way he has been acting lately, shaking hands with known terrorists. Proclaiming to the World that Israel and the Palestinans will be at peace before he leaves office. Only he believes this. Then we have the dance with the swords in the Middle East, next the dancing in Africa.
 

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Sir John, I agree. I did what I could to get rid of him.

But this thread isn't an attack on Bush.
 

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Wow! :eek: Divider Rocks! Tup:

One question though! Didn't your mom teach you anything Divoider?
Didn't she tell you that sometimes it is better to keep your mouth shut...
And leave people hoping that maybe you might not be totally insane? :?

Alas! You have finally let your emotions gush forth unencumbered.
Now the world, or at least everyone who reads this forum,
knows that you really are completely out of touch with reality.

And that is OK! There is no healing with suppressing your inner demons!
Now that they are in the open you have a chance to deal with them. :roll:

But! You may need some help! sick:



:arrow: Just keep repeating these lyrics:

They're coming to take me away, ha-haaa!!
They're coming to take me away, ho-ho, hee-hee, ha-haaa
To the funny farm. Where life is beautiful all the time and I'll be happy to see those nice young men in their clean white coats and they're coming to take me away, ha-haaa!!!!!

They're coming to take me away, ha-haaa,
They're coming to take me away, ho-ho, hee-hee, ha-haaa.
To the happy home. With trees and flowers and chirping birds and basket weavers who sit and smile and twiddle their thumbs and toes and they're coming to take me away, ha-haaa!!!

They're coming to take me away, ha-haaa.
They're coming to take me away, ho-ho, hee-hee, ha-haaa.
To the funny farm, where life is beautiful all the time and I'll be happy to see those nice young men in their clean white coats and they're coming to take me away, ha-haaa!!!
To the happy home, with trees and flowers and chirping birds and basket weavers who sit and smile and twiddle their thumbs and toes and they're coming to take me away, ha-haa!!!
To the funny farm, where life is beautiful all the time... (fade out)

conf: B... Bu.. Butttt.... I'm The Deny'er.

BTW: Thanks for playing the part of forum clown! clown: :p :lol:
 

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Reagan was also a liar. In November 1986, he publicly denied that his administration had been illegally selling arms to Iran and using the proceeds to fund the contras. One week later he was forced to retract this statement, but denied that the sale was part of a deal to free U.S. hostages. The following year, Reagan admitted that there had been an arms-for-hostages deal, but denied he knew anything about it.

In 1992, that too proved to be a lie when former Defense Secretary Caspar Weinberger was compelled to release notes from a January 1986 meeting revealing, "President decided to go with Israeli-Iranian offer to release our 5 hostages in return for sale of 4,000 TOWs [U.S. missiles] to Iran by Israel."

Tup:
 

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That Susan J. Douglas is a real peach! sick:

And "Dave from Queens Diary" posted on the "Daily Kos"?

Divider, I expected better than this from you!!! A man of your convictions and ideals who can so eloquently state his opinions, you must be having a bad day.
 

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A man of your convictions and ideals who can so eloquently state his opinions, you must be having a bad day.
More like grasping at straws, because he knows his current HOPE for CHANGE is full flowery of words, with little substance.
 
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