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Nader will run for President as the anti-corporate candidate.

Nader says that he believes that large corporations have taken over our government.
He will be the peoples candidate.

McCain is ahead of both Obama and Clinton in the polls but some speculate that Nader may change the balance. Will he steal enough republican votes to help the Democrats win or is he not popular enough to be an effective spoiler?
 

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Watched Russert and Nader palaver this AM. Russert said that the Dems thought Nader lost the 2000 and 2004 elections for the Dems cause he pulled away enough votes to let Bush win. One thing Nader said was on the mark, "...get over it...."lol
 

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Now here is a chance for you Righties to vote for a winner. :lol:

He has a better chance than your guy does. :lol:

Hell he even looks more healthy than your guy altho they are about the same age.

Another doddery old fool throwing his hat into the ring. Carn't you get him sectioned. I am sure the Beloved One can find some way to detain him. :lol:

Just thought the Bushes are throwing their fortune into backing him in the hope that enough Righties will vote for him to keep out the Dems. :lol: Well it will be the only way that they will get a mention in this election. :lol: :lol: :lol:
 

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I agree with you about Nader stealing votes from the Republicans Sir John.

The way I see it is that Nader is far to moderate to appeal to the hard left supporters of true socialists like Clinton and Obama so he won't pull many votes from either Democratic candidate.

If he cannot draw votes from the Democratic Socialists he will need to attract moderate crossover votes from the Republicans and Independents if he is going to achieve any kind of showing.
 

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Bonzo said:
Nader will run for President as the anti-corporate candidate.

Nader says that he believes that large corporations have taken over our government.
He will be the peoples candidate.

McCain is ahead of both Obama and Clinton in the polls but some speculate that Nader may change the balance. Will he steal enough republican votes to help the Democrats win or is he not popular enough to be an effective spoiler?
Bonzo, I don't know what polls you are seeing, but the ones that I am seeing show Obama beating McCain and McCain edging Clinton. But maybe there is some super secret information only available to the kool aid drinkers. Can you share?

If the past is any indication, Nader will draw votes from the Dems rather than the GOP. Most say that Nader's participation in the 2000 race gave us the current occupant of 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. Not a very good endorsement.
 

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Sunday, February 24, 2008
The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Sunday shows that John McCain continues to hold a very modest lead against both potential Democratic challengers. In a general election match-up, McCain now leads Barack Obama 46% to 44% and Hillary Clinton 48% to 44%. McCain has led both Democrats on each night of individual tracking since the controversial New York Times article on McCain was released earlier this week.
See: rasmussenreports.com

I'm shocked eddie!
Do you really think that Nader's running will assure that McCain wins the Presidency? :eek:
 

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You know how it is with a liberal intellectuals. Data overload, can't process it all so they throw their hands in the air and poke a random key in the voting machine.
 

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He's old news. He won't pull many votes from anyone. He's about as relevant as Huckabee.
Comparing the relevance of Huckabee to Nader doesn't hold water because Huckabee isn't going to be on the general election ballot in November but Ralph Nader will be. light:
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Nader in 2000, er, 2004, no wait in 2008! (Update: Assassination watch)

Ralph Nader has announced he will be seeking the office of president as a third party candidate.

The conventional wisdom states a run by the 73-year old consumer advocate will draw votes away from either Democratic candidate.

Perhaps.

Although honestly, if someone voted for Nader over Al Gore in 2000 and John Kerry in 2004 is there any logical reason to assume that Naderites, with their strict adherence to political purity, will sully themselves by voting the lesser of two evils in 2008?

Besides what's the worry? Aren't Democrats supposed to wipe the floor with Republicans in November?

A quote from Nader in an Associated Press article sums it up.

"If the Democrats can't landslide the Republicans this year, they ought to just wrap up, close down, emerge in a different form," Nader said.
The guy is right.

Update: Cue the predictable pouting from the liberal bloggers here locally at The Slog, HA etc and all the way up the Netroots community to DailyKos and other national websites.

What's the big deal? Nader running is not a surprise. Will Democrats complain when the Socialist Workers Party nominates their candidate next?

Put the shoe on the other foot. Does the presence of the Libertarian or Constitution Party really seriously damage Republicans nationally? No one gnashes their teeth at the prospect of votes being pared away from the GOP to these two parties. Besides, anyone "principled" enough to be a Constitution Party member isn't going to vote Republican anyway.

When you have a national party shouldn't Democrats be happy they won't suffer the embarrassment of sitting by a bunch of wild-eyed flat-world Green Party diehards who don't bathe and believe Trotsky was just misunderstood.

Doesn't the Party of Truman stand for broader issues which appeal to all Americans not just the anti-corporate globalist conspiracy theories espoused by Naderites?

Right?

If Obama or Clinton wanted to gain the most support from average Americans they would ridicule the Nader manifesto decrying "big banks", "drug companies", "Big Oil", "Wall Street", "War profiteers" and the "Health Insurance Industry".

Of course it's the Truman Democrats who now represent the fringe of the party (or are now Republicans). And what makes Nader's "betrayal" so galling is the fact that his rather extreme views are embraced by a larger number of Democrats than what is electorally palatable.

Downdate: How precious. Dan Savage is wishing for Ralph Nader to be assassinated over on Slog.

"In a perfect world the Secret Service wouldn't have to screen Obama's crowds - and Ralph Nader would have to worry about his security."
Oh those writers at the Stranger. So hip and edgy with their provocative statements.

Of course we all know Dan's just being a silly goose.

http://soundpolitics.com/archives/010238.html
 

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Anyone not realizing how a nomination of Obama is going to affect a fair percentage in their party has their head in the sand. You've given them two not very good options and so far, the ones siding with Hillary may very well abandon the dems and go for McCain or Nader. Especially the older, rich women that rarely get considered but have a huge impact.
 

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You might be on to something there fishslave.

It looks like Nader is alienating the mainstream Obama and Clinton support.

Ralph Nader lashed out at the Democratic presidential candidates Monday after they said he could hurt their chances of taking back the White House.

In an interview with CNN on Monday, Nader accused Illinois Sen. Barack Obama of name-calling and challenged him to "address the issues."

"Above all, explain why you don't come down hard on the economic crimes against minorities in city ghettos: payday loans, predatory lending, rent-to-own rackets, landlord abuses, lead contamination, asbestos," Nader said.

"There's an unseemly silence by you, Barack -- a community organizer in poor areas in Chicago many years ago -- on this issue," he said.

Nader called Sen. Hillary Clinton the Democrat "most loved by big business," referencing a Fortune magazine article from last year.

The June article said Clinton had "probably the broadest CEO support among the candidates" at that point.
See: cnn.com
 

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I'd think Nader will pull votes from the Dem candidate rather than from McCain. Nader seems to have outlived his social utility.
 
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