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It appears the M's are looking at another pitcher.

MBL.com: Even with Silva aboard, the Mariners are discussing a trade for left-hander Erik Bedard from the Orioles, a swap that would cost Seattle the services of outfielder Adam Jones, among others. The Orioles also are known to covet catcher Jeff Clement and right-hander Brandon Morrow, along with veteran left-handed reliever George Sherrill.
 

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I would love to see Bedard pitching for the M's, such solid starter. But the cost I think is to much. We dumped Guillen so Jones can start in right, Who we gonna put in right? I don't mind giving up Clement and a couple others. But we need players like Jones and Sherril. Sherril is a solid releiver, and we need him too. I would love it but I just don't see it happening.
 

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From the Northwest burner of the Hot Stove comes the reminder that just because one treat is ready to be served, it doesn't mean something else may not be cooking.
Even as the Seattle Mariners prepared to finalize their contract with free-agent right-hander Carlos Silva, general manager Bill Bavasi could be plotting a return to the kitchen.

Next on his menu: Erik Bedard?

While awaiting the introduction of Silva -- the only Minnesota starter besides Johan Santana to post more than 10 wins in each of the past two seasons -- the Seattle Post-Intelligencer reminded that Bavasi's offseason agenda was adding two veteran starters to the rotation.

So No. 2 remains on the to-do list. While Santana theoretically remains on Bavasi's radar -- he must love the idea of injecting the Mariners rotation with Minnesota "twins" -- Bedard is a more accessible target.

In fact, echoing a general belief, the Post-Intelligencer said the Mariners are now considered the favorites to acquire Bedard, probably because the Orioles are more likely to drop outfielder Adam Jones from the asking price.

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If we can get Bedard for Sherril, Morrow, and Clement. I say go for it. We just need Adam Jones in right.
 

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I dont know what everyone else sees in Adam Jones. Besides a few flashes of good plays, he hasn't been all that impressive. Mike Morse could do just as good IMO.

I think Betard would be a great pitcher to have, but not at the expense of Brandon Morrow and Jeff Clement. the Mariners will pay dearly if they let these to guys go. I think Morrow is a season away from the starting rotation or late season this year, he is going to be a top quality pitcher very soon. Clement is a solid hitting catcher and thats hard to find, plus he will be the pinch hitter THIS year for lefty pitching, because he wacks em good. Adam Jones has been great in AAA, but in the big leagues not so good, sometimes thats the way it goes. I mean look at Reed, he was the same way.
 

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To be fair Red, Adam Jones hasn't gotten steady playing time at the major league level so we don't really know what he can do. I think he needs to play a season up in Seattle and then the following year's numbers would be a really good indicator of his talent. However, he must not be too bad because anyone who talks trade with the M's wants Jones.
 

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That's odd I agree with DBA on this one.. Adam Jones needs to start in left field and move Ibanez to right or to DH. I would be ok with moving Clement and Morrow for Bedard.. Bedard has never pitched 200 innings in a year so his durability is a bit suspect and he can be a little wild but he does have great stuff and the ability to miss bats, which is something the M's could use with their poor defense. Morse has already tested positive for steroids, doesn't really have a defensive position he can play well, and at 27 is kinda old for a prospect.. Thats just my opinion..
 

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the ability to miss bats, which is something the M's could use with their poor defense.
Poor defense? 2 Gold glove winners- Ichiro and Beltre. Not to mention 2 other infeilders that will win more than one gold glove in the future. Betancourt and Lopez. Ibanez may not be quick but he has a solid glove. Sexson can't hit the broad side of a barn but he still is solid at first. Mariners have very solid defense.
 

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I think it would be worth it to trade Jones in a Santana trade. You are pretty much guarenteed 22-24 wins in his 33 starts(not saying he'll win 22-24 but the team will win that many of his starts barring the bullpen blowing next season). he is as dominant as they come, as clay said Jones is all potential and could turn out to be nothing but a steady OF
 

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I don't know who you are watching defense, but Jones has not been very good in the outfield D either. He has a .950 fielding percentage the last two years, average outfielder rates around.970. Ichiro is over .990.

He is batting .230 for 139 at bats with only 3 home runs.

Don't get me wrong, Im not doubting that others know what they are looking at in terms of skills, but I sure hope this kid picks up the pace.
 

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Santana is a totally different animal than Bedard, and Jones in a trade for him would be ok if you were sure he would sign a long term deal for 25 million a year with Santana.. One outfielder in baseball is worse than Ibanez, Manny Ramirez, and no first baseman is worse than Sexson.. They both do ok on balls hit right to them, but both have the range of the wrought-iron deer standing in my garden.. Between them their defense costs the M's about 100 runs a year.. If Sexson hits 40 homers he would be about breaking even, just different types of fielding stats!!
 

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Statistically speaking no out fielder makes very many errors and neither will Adam Jones, but I guarantee if he played left field the M's would save 50 runs a year at the minimum...
 

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In spite of going 88-74 the M's were outscored by 20 runs throughout the season.. That's kinda odd for a team 14 games over .500..Except for Ichiro, the lack of range at both corner outfield positions especially with Safeco fields huge left field killed the M's..Ichiro is very good and covered a lot of ground for Ibanez and Guillen. Jones will help in right field by replacing Guillen but their is still a huge black hole in left field..The best place to gain those runs back is to catch a few more fly balls in left field..
 

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Pitching Stats: Next Stats >>

SEASON TEAM W L ERA G GS CG SHO SV SVO IP H R ER HR HBP BB SO
2002 Baltimore Orioles 0 0 13.50 2 0 0 0 0 0 0.2 2 1 1 0 0 0 1
2004 Baltimore Orioles 6 10 4.59 27 26 0 0 0 0 137.1 149 83 70 13 7 71 121
2005 Baltimore Orioles 6 8 4.00 24 24 0 0 0 0 141.2 139 66 63 10 5 57 125
2006 Baltimore Orioles 15 11 3.76 33 33 0 0 0 0 196.1 196 92 82 16 5 69 171
2007 Baltimore Orioles 13 5 3.16 28 28 1 1 0 0 182.0 141 66 64 19 5 57 221

Career Totals 40 34 3.83 114 111 1 1 0 0 658.0 627 308 280 58 22 254 639

Fielding Stats:

SEASON TEAM POS G GS INN TC PO A E DP PB SB CS RF FPCT
2002 Baltimore Orioles P 2 0 0.2 0 0 0 0 0 --- --- --- 0.00 .000
2004 Baltimore Orioles P 27 26 137.1 19 10 9 0 0 --- --- --- 1.25 1.000
2005 Baltimore Orioles P 24 24 141.2 29 6 22 1 3 --- --- --- 1.78 .966
2006 Baltimore Orioles P 33 33 196.1 34 7 26 1 0 --- --- --- 1.51 .971
2007 Baltimore Orioles P 28 28 182.0 23 6 17 0 2 --- --- --- 1.14 1.000

Career Totals 114 111 658.0 105 29 74 2 5 --- --- --- 1.41 .981
 
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