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Lure design flaw?

1.5K views 6 replies 5 participants last post by  tovlux6  
#1 ·
Ok I am drinking coffee and trying to get my brain fully conscious, and watching a youtube video of underwater footage of a lure at work on Chelan.


Here is the thing, the fish are attracted to the lure, but they they strike it or strike at it, multiple times and do not get hooked. What gives? One finally does get hooked, but there were multiple near misses etc.

What I am wondering is how to to improve that ratio. Any lure that gets that many strikes is doing good to get them there but in the hookup department it sucks. So I have seen treble hooks as stingers and I am sure they might improve things, but too many of the lakes I fish have an overabundance of stocked trout. Especially early season when the fish are in the same depths it would mess up too many of them. I have seen the typical two hook set up, but has anyone ever tried a 3 hook set up, with the last hook being naked?

Just thinking that if all lures get that kind of action with missed strikes then there has to be some way to improve it.
 
#2 ·
I have tried 3 hooks in the line. Didn't improve things.
I very seldom use bait on the second hook (closest to the fish).
I watched the video 2 times and now wonder if the first one even made contact? I watched the dodger and it didn't change momentum.
Then I wondered if they are hitting from the side of the lure. Meaning their eyeball maybe close to the lure and they aren't directly behind it.
 
#3 ·
by the way this is not a critique of this particular lure or manufacturer. I have seen this same kind of behavior on multiple Waterwolf movies. Just gets me thinking that there ought to be a way.......
 
#4 ·
I've watched the underwater videos of the kings inhaling a big glob of eggs, chomping so hard that egg juice flushes out their gills, yet they are able to spit it out.

I think with any lure or bait the fish must commit, by that I mean grab the lure or bait and turn, only then will the hook imbed in the fishes jaw. Not saying I'm right or wrong, just my thoughts on it.
 
#5 ·
I agree RiverWolf. They just nip at it. Like a puppy nipping something. Then the committed times when they attacked with force. Like an attack dog.
 
#6 ·
It is pretty clear that kokanee and many other fish have a high curiosity factor and are attracted to our gear much more often than we may think. The problem is to convert a higher percentage of those lookie-sees into solid takes.

I believe that is more of presentation problem than a lure design flaw. Have become a big fan of constant experimentation with my kokanee fishing if going length of time without hooking ups. That experimentation includes: lure (style, color, size); attractor (type, color, size); speed; depth; scent; bait, etc.

On any give day and sometimes at any given hour changes in one or more parameters suggested above is required to trigger strikes and put fish in the box. Virtually all kokanee anglers are consistently successful that I know have massive tackle collections and constantly experimenting and on tough days may go through dozens of options in a single morning .

The final piece of the equation of successful kokanee fishing is convert a high percentage of strikes/hooh-ups to fish to hand. I'm a strong advocate of soft action rods, direct drive reels (or high quality drags set loosely), long handled nets, double single hooks and continue forward motion of the boat (though at reduced speed) to maximize landing rates. Properly rigged and with care achieve landing rates in the 90% is doable.

Curt
 
#7 ·
Ok I am drinking coffee and trying to get my brain fully conscious, and watching a youtube video of underwater footage of a lure at work on Chelan.

Here is the thing, the fish are attracted to the lure, but they they strike it or strike at it, multiple times and do not get hooked. What gives? One finally does get hooked, but there were multiple near misses etc.

What I am wondering is how to to improve that ratio. Any lure that gets that many strikes is doing good to get them there but in the hookup department it sucks. So I have seen treble hooks as stingers and I am sure they might improve things, but too many of the lakes I fish have an overabundance of stocked trout. Especially early season when the fish are in the same depths it would mess up too many of them. I have seen the typical two hook set up, but has anyone ever tried a 3 hook set up, with the last hook being naked?

Just thinking that if all lures get that kind of action with missed strikes then there has to be some way to improve it.







Sometimes a lure design flaw, like poor balance or weak hooks, can affect how well it performs in the water. It’s similar to how small details matter in sonic coloring pages one mistake can throw off the whole look. Fixing those little flaws can lead to better results.
Sometimes a lure design flaw, like poor balance or weak hooks, can affect how well it performs in the water. It’s similar to how small details matter in coloring pages one mistake can throw off the whole look. Fixing those little flaws can lead to better results.