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Well I watched this guy this morning. Here's MY analysis.. :D

I would think that a man with his apparent intelligence would steer away from the walls of divisiveness instead of running headon into them. This speech only served to validate what everyone has been saying all along. He talks of unity while taking stabs at Geraldine Ferraro. He speaks of uniting the country while blaming rich white people for creating a chasm between the poor and the rich. He speaks of unity of races while saying whites just don't understand the "black experience". He condemns inflammatory anti-American racists preachings of Wright all the while embracing him as a friend and justifying anger toward white people by the black community because of our history of slavery. Not exactly the right way to bring people together... He made this a race based issue and is diverting attention away from the Anti-American statements. He alone has turned what most considered to be stupid anti-American comments into an issue of RACE! Sounds to me like he's been taking lessons from Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton. The guy who claimed to transcend race has destroyed his candidacy because HE himself has transformed into a "Black Candidate".

Make up your own mind...

 

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If you really want to have fun read the speech as he's giving it--It's really good as all speeches Ted Sorenson helps write are. Ted Sorenson was JFK's speech writer who came up with the 'Ask not what your country can do for you.....' line and is widely believed to have actually written the book 'Profiles In Courage' which JFK took credit and accepted the Pulitzer for. He's now lending his gifted pen to Obama.

The speech was made available on Drudge before Barack Obama gave it this morning.

It's amazing the stark diference Barack has in speaking when he has a telepromter with prepared text by great speech writers and and when he doesn't and is speaking off the cuff. I have to give it to him, he is a good telepromter reader. clap:
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Here's Ted Sorenson's....I mean Barack Obama's Speech:

We the people, in order to form a more perfect union.

Two hundred and twenty one years ago, in a hall that still stands across the street, a group of men gathered and, with these simple words, launched America’s improbable experiment in democracy. Farmers and scholars; statesmen and patriots who had traveled across an ocean to escape tyranny and persecution finally made real their declaration of independence at a Philadelphia convention that lasted through the spring of 1787.

The document they produced was eventually signed but ultimately unfinished. It was stained by this nation’s original sin of slavery, a question that divided the colonies and brought the convention to a stalemate until the founders chose to allow the slave trade to continue for at least twenty more years, and to leave any final resolution to future generations.

Of course, the answer to the slavery question was already embedded within our Constitution â€" a Constitution that had at is very core the ideal of equal citizenship under the law; a Constitution that promised its people liberty, and justice, and a union that could be and should be perfected over time.

And yet words on a parchment would not be enough to deliver slaves from bondage, or provide men and women of every color and creed their full rights and obligations as citizens of the United States. What would be needed were Americans in successive generations who were willing to do their part â€" through protests and struggle, on the streets and in the courts, through a civil war and civil disobedience and always at great risk - to narrow that gap between the promise of our ideals and the reality of their time.

This was one of the tasks we set forth at the beginning of this campaign â€" to continue the long march of those who came before us, a march for a more just, more equal, more free, more caring and more prosperous America. I chose to run for the presidency at this moment in history because I believe deeply that we cannot solve the challenges of our time unless we solve them together â€" unless we perfect our union by understanding that we may have different stories, but we hold common hopes; that we may not look the same and we may not have come from the same place, but we all want to move in the same direction â€" towards a better future for of children and our grandchildren.

This belief comes from my unyielding faith in the decency and generosity of the American people. But it also comes from my own American story.

I am the son of a black man from Kenya and a white woman from Kansas. I was raised with the help of a white grandfather who survived a Depression to serve in Patton’s Army during World War II and a white grandmother who worked on a bomber assembly line at Fort Leavenworth while he was overseas. I’ve gone to some of the best schools in America and lived in one of the world’s poorest nations. I am married to a black American who carries within her the blood of slaves and slaveowners â€" an inheritance we pass on to our two precious daughters. I have brothers, sisters, nieces, nephews, uncles and cousins, of every race and every hue, scattered across three continents, and for as long as I live, I will never forget that in no other country on Earth is my story even possible.

It’s a story that hasn’t made me the most conventional candidate. But it is a story that has seared into my genetic makeup the idea that this nation is more than the sum of its parts â€" that out of many, we are truly one.

Throughout the first year of this campaign, against all predictions to the contrary, we saw how hungry the American people were for this message of unity. Despite the temptation to view my candidacy through a purely racial lens, we won commanding victories in states with some of the whitest populations in the country. In South Carolina, where the Confederate Flag still flies, we built a powerful coalition of African Americans and white Americans.

This is not to say that race has not been an issue in the campaign. At various stages in the campaign, some commentators have deemed me either “too black� or “not black enough.� We saw racial tensions bubble to the surface during the week before the South Carolina primary. The press has scoured every exit poll for the latest evidence of racial polarization, not just in terms of white and black, but black and brown as well.

And yet, it has only been in the last couple of weeks that the discussion of race in this campaign has taken a particularly divisive turn.

On one end of the spectrum, we’ve heard the implication that my candidacy is somehow an exercise in affirmative action; that it’s based solely on the desire of wide-eyed liberals to purchase racial reconciliation on the cheap. On the other end, we’ve heard my former pastor, Reverend Jeremiah Wright, use incendiary language to express views that have the potential not only to widen the racial divide, but views that denigrate both the greatness and the goodness of our nation; that rightly offend white and black alike.

I have already condemned, in unequivocal terms, the statements of Reverend Wright that have caused such controversy. For some, nagging questions remain. Did I know him to be an occasionally fierce critic of American domestic and foreign policy? Of course. Did I ever hear him make remarks that could be considered controversial while I sat in church? Yes. Did I strongly disagree with many of his political views? Absolutely â€" just as I’m sure many of you have heard remarks from your pastors, priests, or rabbis with which you strongly disagreed.

But the remarks that have caused this recent firestorm weren’t simply controversial. They weren’t simply a religious leader’s effort to speak out against perceived injustice. Instead, they expressed a profoundly distorted view of this country â€" a view that sees white racism as endemic, and that elevates what is wrong with America above all that we know is right with America; a view that sees the conflicts in the Middle East as rooted primarily in the actions of stalwart allies like Israel, instead of emanating from the perverse and hateful ideologies of radical Islam.

As such, Reverend Wright’s comments were not only wrong but divisive, divisive at a time when we need unity; racially charged at a time when we need to come together to solve a set of monumental problems â€" two wars, a terrorist threat, a falling economy, a chronic health care crisis and potentially devastating climate change; problems that are neither black or white or Latino or Asian, but rather problems that confront us all.

Given my background, my politics, and my professed values and ideals, there will no doubt be those for whom my statements of condemnation are not enough. Why associate myself with Reverend Wright in the first place, they may ask? Why not join another church? And I confess that if all that I knew of Reverend Wright were the snippets of those sermons that have run in an endless loop on the television and You Tube, or if Trinity United Church of Christ conformed to the caricatures being peddled by some commentators, there is no doubt that I would react in much the same way

But the truth is, that isn’t all that I know of the man. The man I met more than twenty years ago is a man who helped introduce me to my Christian faith, a man who spoke to me about our obligations to love one another; to care for the sick and lift up the poor. He is a man who served his country as a U.S. Marine; who has studied and lectured at some of the finest universities and seminaries in the country, and who for over thirty years led a church that serves the community by doing God’s work here on Earth â€" by housing the homeless, ministering to the needy, providing day care services and scholarships and prison ministries, and reaching out to those suffering from HIV/AIDS.

In my first book, Dreams From My Father, I described the experience of my first service at Trinity:

“People began to shout, to rise from their seats and clap and cry out, a forceful wind carrying the reverend’s voice up into the rafters….And in that single note â€" hope! â€" I heard something else; at the foot of that cross, inside the thousands of churches across the city, I imagined the stories of ordinary black people merging with the stories of David and Goliath, Moses and Pharaoh, the Christians in the lion’s den, Ezekiel’s field of dry bones. Those stories â€" of survival, and freedom, and hope â€" became our story, my story; the blood that had spilled was our blood, the tears our tears; until this black church, on this bright day, seemed once more a vessel carrying the story of a people into future generations and into a larger world. Our trials and triumphs became at once unique and universal, black and more than black; in chronicling our journey, the stories and songs gave us a means to reclaim memories that we didn’t need to feel shame about…memories that all people might study and cherish â€" and with which we could start to rebuild.â€?

That has been my experience at Trinity. Like other predominantly black churches across the country, Trinity embodies the black community in its entirety â€" the doctor and the welfare mom, the model student and the former gang-banger. Like other black churches, Trinity’s services are full of raucous laughter and sometimes bawdy humor. They are full of dancing, clapping, screaming and shouting that may seem jarring to the untrained ear. The church contains in full the kindness and cruelty, the fierce intelligence and the shocking ignorance, the struggles and successes, the love and yes, the bitterness and bias that make up the black experience in America.

And this helps explain, perhaps, my relationship with Reverend Wright. As imperfect as he may be, he has been like family to me. He strengthened my faith, officiated my wedding, and baptized my children. Not once in my conversations with him have I heard him talk about any ethnic group in derogatory terms, or treat whites with whom he interacted with anything but courtesy and respect. He contains within him the contradictions â€" the good and the bad â€" of the community that he has served diligently for so many years.

I can no more disown him than I can disown the black community. I can no more disown him than I can my white grandmother â€" a woman who helped raise me, a woman who sacrificed again and again for me, a woman who loves me as much as she loves anything in this world, but a woman who once confessed her fear of black men who passed by her on the street, and who on more than one occasion has uttered racial or ethnic stereotypes that made me cringe.

These people are a part of me. And they are a part of America, this country that I love.

Some will see this as an attempt to justify or excuse comments that are simply inexcusable. I can assure you it is not. I suppose the politically safe thing would be to move on from this episode and just hope that it fades into the woodwork. We can dismiss Reverend Wright as a crank or a demagogue, just as some have dismissed Geraldine Ferraro, in the aftermath of her recent statements, as harboring some deep-seated racial bias.

But race is an issue that I believe this nation cannot afford to ignore right now. We would be making the same mistake that Reverend Wright made in his offending sermons about America â€" to simplify and stereotype and amplify the negative to the point that it distorts reality.

The fact is that the comments that have been made and the issues that have surfaced over the last few weeks reflect the complexities of race in this country that we’ve never really worked through â€" a part of our union that we have yet to perfect. And if we walk away now, if we simply retreat into our respective corners, we will never be able to come together and solve challenges like health care, or education, or the need to find good jobs for every American.

Understanding this reality requires a reminder of how we arrived at this point. As William Faulkner once wrote, “The past isn’t dead and buried. In fact, it isn’t even past.� We do not need to recite here the history of racial injustice in this country. But we do need to remind ourselves that so many of the disparities that exist in the African-American community today can be directly traced to inequalities passed on from an earlier generation that suffered under the brutal legacy of slavery and Jim Crow.

Segregated schools were, and are, inferior schools; we still haven’t fixed them, fifty years after Brown v. Board of Education, and the inferior education they provided, then and now, helps explain the pervasive achievement gap between today’s black and white students.

Legalized discrimination - where blacks were prevented, often through violence, from owning property, or loans were not granted to African-American business owners, or black homeowners could not access FHA mortgages, or blacks were excluded from unions, or the police force, or fire departments â€" meant that black families could not amass any meaningful wealth to bequeath to future generations. That history helps explain the wealth and income gap between black and white, and the concentrated pockets of poverty that persists in so many of today’s urban and rural communities.

A lack of economic opportunity among black men, and the shame and frustration that came from not being able to provide for one’s family, contributed to the erosion of black families â€" a problem that welfare policies for many years may have worsened. And the lack of basic services in so many urban black neighborhoods â€" parks for kids to play in, police walking the beat, regular garbage pick-up and building code enforcement â€" all helped create a cycle of violence, blight and neglect that continue to haunt us.

This is the reality in which Reverend Wright and other African-Americans of his generation grew up. They came of age in the late fifties and early sixties, a time when segregation was still the law of the land and opportunity was systematically constricted. What’s remarkable is not how many failed in the face of discrimination, but rather how many men and women overcame the odds; how many were able to make a way out of no way for those like me who would come after them.

But for all those who scratched and clawed their way to get a piece of the American Dream, there were many who didn’t make it â€" those who were ultimately defeated, in one way or another, by discrimination. That legacy of defeat was passed on to future generations â€" those young men and increasingly young women who we see standing on street corners or languishing in our prisons, without hope or prospects for the future. Even for those blacks who did make it, questions of race, and racism, continue to define their worldview in fundamental ways. For the men and women of Reverend Wright’s generation, the memories of humiliation and doubt and fear have not gone away; nor has the anger and the bitterness of those years. That anger may not get expressed in public, in front of white co-workers or white friends. But it does find voice in the barbershop or around the kitchen table. At times, that anger is exploited by politicians, to gin up votes along racial lines, or to make up for a politician’s own failings.

And occasionally it finds voice in the church on Sunday morning, in the pulpit and in the pews. The fact that so many people are surprised to hear that anger in some of Reverend Wright’s sermons simply reminds us of the old truism that the most segregated hour in American life occurs on Sunday morning. That anger is not always productive; indeed, all too often it distracts attention from solving real problems; it keeps us from squarely facing our own complicity in our condition, and prevents the African-American community from forging the alliances it needs to bring about real change. But the anger is real; it is powerful; and to simply wish it away, to condemn it without understanding its roots, only serves to widen the chasm of misunderstanding that exists between the races.

In fact, a similar anger exists within segments of the white community. Most working- and middle-class white Americans don’t feel that they have been particularly privileged by their race. Their experience is the immigrant experience â€" as far as they’re concerned, no one’s handed them anything, they’ve built it from scratch. They’ve worked hard all their lives, many times only to see their jobs shipped overseas or their pension dumped after a lifetime of labor. They are anxious about their futures, and feel their dreams slipping away; in an era of stagnant wages and global competition, opportunity comes to be seen as a zero sum game, in which your dreams come at my expense. So when they are told to bus their children to a school across town; when they hear that an African American is getting an advantage in landing a good job or a spot in a good college because of an injustice that they themselves never committed; when they’re told that their fears about crime in urban neighborhoods are somehow prejudiced, resentment builds over time.

Like the anger within the black community, these resentments aren’t always expressed in polite company. But they have helped shape the political landscape for at least a generation. Anger over welfare and affirmative action helped forge the Reagan Coalition. Politicians routinely exploited fears of crime for their own electoral ends. Talk show hosts and conservative commentators built entire careers unmasking bogus claims of racism while dismissing legitimate discussions of racial injustice and inequality as mere political correctness or reverse racism.

Just as black anger often proved counterproductive, so have these white resentments distracted attention from the real culprits of the middle class squeeze â€" a corporate culture rife with inside dealing, questionable accounting practices, and short-term greed; a Washington dominated by lobbyists and special interests; economic policies that favor the few over the many. And yet, to wish away the resentments of white Americans, to label them as misguided or even racist, without recognizing they are grounded in legitimate concerns â€" this too widens the racial divide, and blocks the path to understanding.

This is where we are right now. It’s a racial stalemate we’ve been stuck in for years. Contrary to the claims of some of my critics, black and white, I have never been so naïve as to believe that we can get beyond our racial divisions in a single election cycle, or with a single candidacy â€" particularly a candidacy as imperfect as my own.

But I have asserted a firm conviction â€" a conviction rooted in my faith in God and my faith in the American people â€" that working together we can move beyond some of our old racial wounds, and that in fact we have no choice is we are to continue on the path of a more perfect union.

For the African-American community, that path means embracing the burdens of our past without becoming victims of our past. It means continuing to insist on a full measure of justice in every aspect of American life. But it also means binding our particular grievances â€" for better health care, and better schools, and better jobs - to the larger aspirations of all Americans -- the white woman struggling to break the glass ceiling, the white man whose been laid off, the immigrant trying to feed his family. And it means taking full responsibility for own lives â€" by demanding more from our fathers, and spending more time with our children, and reading to them, and teaching them that while they may face challenges and discrimination in their own lives, they must never succumb to despair or cynicism; they must always believe that they can write their own destiny.

Ironically, this quintessentially American â€" and yes, conservative â€" notion of self-help found frequent expression in Reverend Wright’s sermons. But what my former pastor too often failed to understand is that embarking on a program of self-help also requires a belief that society can change.

The profound mistake of Reverend Wright’s sermons is not that he spoke about racism in our society. It’s that he spoke as if our society was static; as if no progress has been made; as if this country â€" a country that has made it possible for one of his own members to run for the highest office in the land and build a coalition of white and black; Latino and Asian, rich and poor, young and old -- is still irrevocably bound to a tragic past. But what we know -- what we have seen â€" is that America can change. That is true genius of this nation. What we have already achieved gives us hope â€" the audacity to hope â€" for what we can and must achieve tomorrow.

In the white community, the path to a more perfect union means acknowledging that what ails the African-American community does not just exist in the minds of black people; that the legacy of discrimination - and current incidents of discrimination, while less overt than in the past - are real and must be addressed. Not just with words, but with deeds â€" by investing in our schools and our communities; by enforcing our civil rights laws and ensuring fairness in our criminal justice system; by providing this generation with ladders of opportunity that were unavailable for previous generations. It requires all Americans to realize that your dreams do not have to come at the expense of my dreams; that investing in the health, welfare, and education of black and brown and white children will ultimately help all of America prosper.

In the end, then, what is called for is nothing more, and nothing less, than what all the world’s great religions demand â€" that we do unto others as we would have them do unto us. Let us be our brother’s keeper, Scripture tells us. Let us be our sister’s keeper. Let us find that common stake we all have in one another, and let our politics reflect that spirit as well.

For we have a choice in this country. We can accept a politics that breeds division, and conflict, and cynicism. We can tackle race only as spectacle â€" as we did in the OJ trial â€" or in the wake of tragedy, as we did in the aftermath of Katrina - or as fodder for the nightly news. We can play Reverend Wright’s sermons on every channel, every day and talk about them from now until the election, and make the only question in this campaign whether or not the American people think that I somehow believe or sympathize with his most offensive words. We can pounce on some gaffe by a Hillary supporter as evidence that she’s playing the race card, or we can speculate on whether white men will all flock to John McCain in the general election regardless of his policies.

We can do that.

But if we do, I can tell you that in the next election, we’ll be talking about some other distraction. And then another one. And then another one. And nothing will change.

That is one option. Or, at this moment, in this election, we can come together and say, “Not this time.� This time we want to talk about the crumbling schools that are stealing the future of black children and white children and Asian children and Hispanic children and Native American children. This time we want to reject the cynicism that tells us that these kids can’t learn; that those kids who don’t look like us are somebody else’s problem. The children of America are not those kids, they are our kids, and we will not let them fall behind in a 21st century economy. Not this time.

This time we want to talk about how the lines in the Emergency Room are filled with whites and blacks and Hispanics who do not have health care; who don’t have the power on their own to overcome the special interests in Washington, but who can take them on if we do it together.

This time we want to talk about the shuttered mills that once provided a decent life for men and women of every race, and the homes for sale that once belonged to Americans from every religion, every region, every walk of life. This time we want to talk about the fact that the real problem is not that someone who doesn’t look like you might take your job; it’s that the corporation you work for will ship it overseas for nothing more than a profit.

This time we want to talk about the men and women of every color and creed who serve together, and fight together, and bleed together under the same proud flag. We want to talk about how to bring them home from a war that never should’ve been authorized and never should’ve been waged, and we want to talk about how we’ll show our patriotism by caring for them, and their families, and giving them the benefits they have earned.

I would not be running for President if I didn’t believe with all my heart that this is what the vast majority of Americans want for this country. This union may never be perfect, but generation after generation has shown that it can always be perfected. And today, whenever I find myself feeling doubtful or cynical about this possibility, what gives me the most hope is the next generation â€" the young people whose attitudes and beliefs and openness to change have already made history in this election.

There is one story in particularly that I’d like to leave you with today â€" a story I told when I had the great honor of speaking on Dr. King’s birthday at his home church, Ebenezer Baptist, in Atlanta.

There is a young, twenty-three year old white woman named Ashley Baia who organized for our campaign in Florence, South Carolina. She had been working to organize a mostly African-American community since the beginning of this campaign, and one day she was at a roundtable discussion where everyone went around telling their story and why they were there.

And Ashley said that when she was nine years old, her mother got cancer. And because she had to miss days of work, she was let go and lost her health care. They had to file for bankruptcy, and that’s when Ashley decided that she had to do something to help her mom.

She knew that food was one of their most expensive costs, and so Ashley convinced her mother that what she really liked and really wanted to eat more than anything else was mustard and relish sandwiches. Because that was the cheapest way to eat.

She did this for a year until her mom got better, and she told everyone at the roundtable that the reason she joined our campaign was so that she could help the millions of other children in the country who want and need to help their parents too.

Now Ashley might have made a different choice. Perhaps somebody told her along the way that the source of her mother’s problems were blacks who were on welfare and too lazy to work, or Hispanics who were coming into the country illegally. But she didn’t. She sought out allies in her fight against injustice.

Anyway, Ashley finishes her story and then goes around the room and asks everyone else why they’re supporting the campaign. They all have different stories and reasons. Many bring up a specific issue. And finally they come to this elderly black man who’s been sitting there quietly the entire time. And Ashley asks him why he’s there. And he does not bring up a specific issue. He does not say health care or the economy. He does not say education or the war. He does not say that he was there because of Barack Obama. He simply says to everyone in the room, “I am here because of Ashley.�

“I’m here because of Ashley.� By itself, that single moment of recognition between that young white girl and that old black man is not enough. It is not enough to give health care to the sick, or jobs to the jobless, or education to our children.

But it is where we start. It is where our union grows stronger. And as so many generations have come to realize over the course of the two-hundred and twenty one years since a band of patriots signed that document in Philadelphia, that is where the perfection begins.

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Segregated schools were, and are, inferior schools; we still haven’t fixed them, fifty years after Brown v. Board of Education, and the inferior education they provided, then and now, helps explain the pervasive achievement gap between today’s black and white students.

Legalized discrimination - where blacks were prevented, often through violence, from owning property, or loans were not granted to African-American business owners, or black homeowners could not access FHA mortgages, or blacks were excluded from unions, or the police force, or fire departments â€" meant that black families could not amass any meaningful wealth to bequeath to future generations. That history helps explain the wealth and income gap between black and white, and the concentrated pockets of poverty that persists in so many of today’s urban and rural communities.

A lack of economic opportunity among black men, and the shame and frustration that came from not being able to provide for one’s family, contributed to the erosion of black families â€" a problem that welfare policies for many years may have worsened. And the lack of basic services in so many urban black neighborhoods â€" parks for kids to play in, police walking the beat, regular garbage pick-up and building code enforcement â€" all helped create a cycle of violence, blight and neglect that continue to haunt us.
Oh here we go... po black me. I am so sick and tired of the racism impressed on blacks by their own I could scream. After pretending to be Irish and watching the History of Irish immigrants last night (have to, it was St. Patricks Day) I KNOW where the problem lies and it's not with white America, who has accepted every race, creed, religion and finally, even sex. Show me the po Irish, Swedish, Polish, Chinese, Japanese, Korean, Vietnamese, Russian, Jew, Muslim or woman that lacks for opportunity.

I don't want a racist president who keeps up the "victim" myth as an excuse why those of his "race" have failed.
 

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On the same topic FS i watched a show on ESPN called "Black Magic" the history of the struggle balck atheletes had enting basketball. The typical diatribe about racisim etc. i wondered why don't we see shows about the settlers and how they were killed by indians just because they were white. No one paid them ,they just set out for a new and better life and were killed and died by the 1000's. They set the table for black atheletes to play a game for money instead of doing real work and complain about how they were treated.
 

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I'm sure it has something to do with the slavery issue and how we must "owe" them because they didn't come here on their own like all the other immigrants. However, after a couple hundred years, I think most of us are aware of who is to blame by now. It's not racist to expect blacks to get whatever education is provided rather than dropping out of school, joining a gang and making money by a life of crime. If their parents instill a work ethic and lay off the victimization they keep teaching, they could break this cycle of poverty. It's not hard in America to get an education and a decent job. Millions keep doing it.

Until more black men like Bill Cosby stand up and tell it like it is, this politically correct lie will continue.
 

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I think I will wait until we get more objective input before I will proclaim his goose cooked. As Birch pointed out, this was a very good speech. I did not see the delivery, but expect that it was done well. I feel that he addressed the issue to a depth that will satisfy all but his most rabid detractors. Time will tell.....
 

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Ya know there are a lot of wealthy black folk in America. The land of opportunity and their willingness to work made them wealthy. Now why don't they quit bitching about America's past sins and do something about the present. If slavery is such an atrocity, and it is, why don't a bunch of them pool their resources and man an expedition to the Horn of Africa and put an end to the slavers paradise.
The Muslim peoples that live on Africa's N.E. coast and inland have been slave trading for centuries and are still in the business. Fix it. And remember where the slaves that were shipped West came from and how. :roll:
 

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It is such a pleasure watching extremists wildly grab for any straw they can. It's apparent they are very worried about Obama, as well they should be.

So far the opinions of most who judge these things with no bias is that he did a fine job and certainly did nothing to hurt his candidacy.

For the record, if the election were held tomorrow I would vote for John McCain, but reporting what you wish is not anything like seeing the truth as it really is.

Here is a typical editorial on his speech.http://voices.kansascity.com/node/733
 

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Like I said about polls Whammo you can find anything on the web to support your opinion. In the long run it hurts Obamab because he has put him self in the racial box (with his own words mind you) that the clintons tried to put him in in SC early in the campaign. The interesting part is that he did it by broaching a topic that needs to be openly discussed for a change. In reading the text I see some clear issues he will have to address they will take some time to surface in the media. So this is not going away or going his direction he still has as many if not more questions to answer. To me it was more deflection to the race issue rahter than hard answeres on whay he would associate with such a person for so long. He was raised in a upper class private school in Hawaii mostly hite. Then he went on to col and Harvard law, Mostly white. He moved to Chicago and need a base form which to launch his political career. He knew that base had to be black and he had no expierince in the balck community as he was raised essentially white. So he hooked up with the Rev. to gain that base. he let the Rev say what ever he wanted and nodded his head or looked away to gain that base. If he is the bridge builder he claims to be why has he not built the bridges to help Rev Wright resolve these decades old issues? If he cannot do it in his own relationships how do you propose he will do it for strangers? BTW it was reported that 50 to 100 people were outside the hall where he gave the speech protesting the remarks of the Rev Wright. Most were black.

Also did you all notice the row of flags behind him as he spoke?
 

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Good on you Eddie to wait until others form an opinion before you have one.. Tup:

It ain't about extremism (unless of course you're referring to Obama) it's about the context of his speech. Not about how he delivered it, It's about what he delivered. And what he delivered was a challenge to white America to end their ignorance of the "Black Experience", a challenge to white america to accept Wrights opinions because they're justified through our history of Slavery. He even had the audacity to mention that his wife has "the blood of slave owners" when he expect the American people to hold him above race baiting politics. BS!

Obama needs the "white' vote to win nationally and his speech did nothing but drive a wedge between his political ambitions and the very people he needs to secure the presidency. When Obama fails and history looks back on this defining race oriented speech as his downfall just remember where you heard it first.. :D
 

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While we're on the subject of winged fowl... are you right-wing extremists familiar with the old sayin' about not countin' your chickens before they hatch? :?

Please allow me to bludgeon your little Obama hate-fest with a few little tidbits known as FACTS.

1 - ANYBODY who thinks the Obama campaign didn't know that at some point these videos would surface and have to be dealt with... is less intelligent than they appear to be here. clown:

2 - So much for the Obama-favoring 'liberal media' you Kool-Aid swillers are always yammerin' on about... huh? ABC News featured the videos and story and EVERY major 'mainstream' outlet has been talkin' about it constantly ever since.

3 - Ya gotta love the 'get over it' attitude too. NONE of you haters grew up black in the pre-civil rights era and NONE of you have ANY real-life experience as such. UNTIL you do... you'll NEVER understand what motivates the anger and resentment in people like Pastor Wright.

4 - the REAL blunder on the part of the Obama haters was in not waiting until August or September to 'break' this story when it would have done maximum damage. There is enough time before the Convention and general Election for this story to be relegated to the back burner.

Birch, my politically astute compatriot... what REAL difference does it make WHO may have written the speech? Obama delivered it with an eloquence far and above most politicians. You don't think GWB wrote ANY of his speeches... do ya? Talk about lookin' absolutely PATHETIC when "wingin' it" too.

My prediction: Obama will take a big hit for this... and I'm sure more stuff will come out about him before it's all said and done. BUT... IMO, he has inspired enough disenfranchised minority and young voters to cover any losses he may experience from conservative Democrats and independents. He leads the delegate count and the popular vote and it looks like his chances are good to get the nomination despite this setback.
 

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FF - I had decided not to respond to your usually inane diatribes but I have to ask you, "Did you read the same speech I did?" I'm uncertain how you draw your conclusion other than from the field of wishful thinking. Since the topic is "His Goose is cooked", I feel that it is eminently reasonable to see polling data, other commentaries, and the ballot box (the ultimate poll) to determine if his goose is cooked.

Like I said before, it was a good speech that addressed the issue of Jeremiah Wright effectively for me. So, I guess in my OPINION, his goose is not cooked. But, just like your opinion, time will tell....
 

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1 - ANYBODY who thinks the Obama campaign didn't know that at some point these videos would surface and have to be dealt with... is less intelligent than they appear to be here.

He was counting on the race card bailing him out of it

2 - So much for the Obama-favoring 'liberal media' you Kool-Aid swillers are always yammerin' on about... huh? ABC News featured the videos and story and EVERY major 'mainstream' outlet has been talkin' about it constantly ever since.

The story broke almost a year ago it was kind of the MSM to wait that ong or should I say until the golden boy was cornered to air it.

3 - Ya gotta love the 'get over it' attitude too. NONE of you haters grew up black in the pre-civil rights era and NONE of you have ANY real-life experience as such. UNTIL you do... you'll NEVER understand what motivates the anger and resentment in people like Pastor Wright.


How do you explain your disenfranchisment Webo. You are as angry as Rev Wright and I am sure you are not a balck female homosexual ina wheechair living in Alabama?

4 - the REAL blunder on the part of the Obama haters was in not waiting until August or September to 'break' this story when it would have done maximum damage. There is enough time before the Convention and general Election for this story to be relegated to the back burner.

What makes you think the Clintons had that much time with all of you hate America leftist spanking yourselves to pics of Obama? I am also sure you know more that 1000's of paid political strategist.


He played himself as not an agent of change just the same old repackaed the disenfranchised will alwasy be and it was enough to disillusion the young emotional voters.
 

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Major Garrett Grills Obama On Fox News. Tup:

Major asks; Quick yes or no, if you heard these statements in person you would have quit?
Obama replies; "If I would have heard them repeated, I would have quit".

Sounds like a typical politician trying to have it both ways. View for yourself


Obama also says; "None of these statements are ones I heard myself."

This is what he said in his speech today.

"Did I ever hear him make remarks that could be considered controversial while I sat in church? Yes."

Let me get this straight...He expects us to believe he's heard controversial remarks that would have compelled him to quit, but just not THOSE particular remarks that would have compelled him to quit...Yeah OK clown:
 

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As usual... an utterly incoherent, completely inept attempt at combining condescending criticism, humor and factual analysis by our resident Dick Morris... with emphasis on Dick... TheQueen! clown:

Don't you EVER get tired o' lookin' stupid my friend? conf: :D :D
 

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Webo said:
3 - Ya gotta love the 'get over it' attitude too. NONE of you haters grew up black in the pre-civil rights era and NONE of you have ANY real-life experience as such. UNTIL you do... you'll NEVER understand what motivates the anger and resentment in people like Pastor Wright.
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Your entire post is fraught with inaccuracies and irrelevant banter but I'll take a stab at this one. :mrgreen:

I call BS! BS that you have to be "Black" in order to have experienced racism. BS to the notion that "Blacks" are justified for their current hatred for their situations. Hell, using your own logic what "real life experience" does Obama have with the "pre-civil rights era"?

And especially BS to your claim that the Liberal media isn't treating him with kid gloves. The only reason the liberal media picked up this story is because Fox News forced their hand and forced Obama to respond ON Fox in the interview with Major Garrett and Saturday Night Live portrayed the media as being soft on Obama and harder on Hillary in their last debate.

You may not have any real life experience with racism so don't lay that mantle at anyones feet except your own there bubba, you have no idea what others have experienced. :|
 

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Ya know guys, I used to think like you. But the fact remains that the racial injustices of the past still affect everyone today. I'm not talking about slavery 100+ years ago, but rather the legal inequality that existed up untill the 1960's. It is an undisputable fact that blacks and other colors prior to the 1960's did not have an equal chance at life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Therefore, little black kids growing up in the mid 20th century, hand little to pass on to their children. Think about that. Not recieving any help what so ever from your parents, and growing up in communities so economically depressed that jobs were rarer then hens teeth. Now I don't care what any of y'all say, your parents help you out more then you realize growing up.

Guys, legalized inequality seems a distant concept, but many of you were alive during that time period. It really wasn't long ago, and it still hurts America today. Many Americans who choose to attack Obama don't see the value in uplifting these impovrished communities. Its not about giving handouts. Its about build them better schools, and providing them with affordable health care. This benifits the average middle class white guy like you and I in variety of ways. Primarily, poverty spawns crime. All you guys worried about getting your rigs broken into should see the value in reducing crime. It also brings down America overall, remember we're only as strong as our weakest link.

Its easy for you all to say that they don't have work ethic, or that they're lazy, but in reality, you and I both know thats simply a racist copout. The well being of America is all our responsiblilty, and those of us who choose not to help the disadvantaged are not doing their civic duty to their fullest.
 

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eddie said:
FF - I had decided not to respond to your usually inane diatribes but I have to ask you,...
Don't make promises you're not willing to carry out.. clown: clap:
 
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