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I give my heart felt Congratulations to Hillary Clinton for winning three out of four states last night!!!!She really got it done this time and hell, she may even turn this into a whole new race!!!
WAY TO GO HILL!!!!
 

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She did win a majority in three states, and is keepingn the race interesting. But what did she gain? Twenty delegates? Twenty-one? That narrows Obama's lead, but she still has a ways to go to catch him. It's possible, and perception is a lot in this race. The perception that she hasn't completely lost her momentum was badly needed. We'll see how it shakes out. Obama doesn't have quite the air of inevitability that he did a couple of weeks ago.
 
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Actually......of the three states she took, she only had a net delegate win of 12 (i think). I will check. But it may have been as low as 4. clap: :(
 

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But it does make a case for momentum change. An argument the Clinton Machine will definitely use in the dimly lit smoke filled rooms housing the super delegates' while they scheme and plot various ways to snatch victory from the timid Teflon media coddled hands of the empty vessel... :D :mrgreen:
 
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Here's a little more information.

The projections showed the outcome of Tuesday's elections that Hillary Clinton gained 187 delegates, and Obama gained 183.

That's a net gain of 4 delegates out of more than 370 delegates available from all the states that voted. (Texas, Ohio, Vermont and Rhode Island)

For comparison, that's less than half the net gain of the 9 delegates from the District of Columbia alone. It's also less than the net gain of 8 from Nebraska, or 12 from Washington State. And it's considerably less than the net gain of 33 delegates from Georgia.

The task for the Clinton campaign Tuesday was clear. In order to have a plausible path to the nomination, they needed to score huge delegate victories and cut into Obamas lead.

They failed. Pure and simple. Tup:
 

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Here is a little more information. wink:

The Democrats are headed to a brokered Convention unless one or the other candidates massively self destructs between then and now. Hillary needs to get about 79% of the remaining delegates but Obama needs 69%! This is going to be a brokered Convention unless they redo FL-MI or the Super Delegates decide to line up solidly behind one of them.

Here is the math.

There are 4049 total Democrat Delegates - 338 not seated from MI and FL and you get 3731. Need 2025 to win the Democrat nomination. Which is dumb since they did not seat the 338 MI-FL delegates should only need 1856 to win.

Obama has 1520 - 2025 = 505 left to get for Obama to win.

Hillary has 1424 - 2025 = 601.

1520 (Obama)+ 1424 (Hillary) = 2944 Delegates awarded. 4049 - 338 FL and MI delegates delegates = 3711 winnable delegates. That leaves 767 delegates left to win.

Obama needs 505 or about 69% of them

Hillary needs 601 or 79% of them

Suppose they split the remaining delegates 60-40 in Hillary favor? She gets 460 and he gets 307. That means he ends up with 1812 while she ends up with 1884. Neither of them have enough to win the nomination at that point and the Democrat Party is going to have to figure out what to do about it.

The simplest thing would be subtract the FL-MI delegates from the total needed to win. Doing that Obama needs 43% of the remainder or 336 delegates and Hillary needs 57% or 438 more delegates.

However that means the Democrat leadership would have to be smart enough, and tough enough, to tell the FL and MI Democrats too bad, you don’t count. And it would require Hillary to be a gracious loser.

And now to make it complete meaningless.

All this assumes the Super delegates all follow the direction their local voters took and line up the same way. But they don’t have to. They can back whomever they want. So it is entirely possible for 1 Democrat candidate to win the majority of the primary votes left and still lose because the remaining supers line up being the other Democrat candidate.

This is a long way from being finished.

Why Clinton Isn’t Dead

The scope of Hillary Clinton’s latest resurrection can be appreciated only in light of the elaborate preparations that had been made for her expeditious burial. That she is very much alive can be attributed to her true grit but also to the revelation that Barack Obama is not a miraculously perfect candidate after all.

Assuming that Clinton would at best eke out a victory in Ohio on Tuesday to end her long losing streak, prominent Democrats were organizing a major private intervention. A posse of party leaders would plead with her to end her campaign and recognize Obama as the Democratic standard-bearer. To buttress this argument, several elite unelected superdelegates (including previous Clinton supporters) were ready to come out for Obama. Those plans went on hold Tuesday night.

Clinton’s transformation of the political climate with her decisive victory in Ohio and unexpected narrow win in Texas coincided with Obama facing adversity for the first time in his magical candidacy, and he did not handle it well. The result is not only the prospect of seven weeks of fierce campaigning by the two candidates, stretching out to the next primary showdown April 22 in Pennsylvania, but also perhaps what Democratic leaders feared but never really thought possible until now: a contested national convention in Denver the last week of August.

By chance, this critical week for Obama began Monday with jury selection in the Chicago corruption trial of his former friend and fundraiser Tony Rezko. For the first time, the story of this political fixer’s connections with the Democratic Party’s golden boy spread beyond the Chicago media. In a contentious news conference, Obama was uncommunicative. He ended the session by walking out and announcing that eight questions were enough.

Less obvious than his Rezko performance but more disturbing to insiders was Obama’s handling of the North American Free Trade Agreement.

With NAFTA having become an expletive in economically depressed northern Ohio, the two Democratic candidates competed with each other in panderingâ€"denouncing the trade agreement that was a jewel in President Bill Clinton’s crown. The trouble began when Canadian television reported that Obama economic adviser Austan Goolsbee had visited Canada’s consulate in Chicago to reassure officials there.

Old Democratic hands cringed when both Clinton and Obama in their Cleveland debate last month blithely advocated the (dangerous) renegotiation of NAFTA. They were really disturbed by what happened next. Obama denied the Goolsbee mission, then had to back down after a Canadian diplomat’s memo confirmed the visit. A longtime Democratic political operative, not aligned with either Obama or Clinton, told me that this was a serious misstep in what he had considered a flawless performance by a political neophyte.

This week, Obama lent credence to longtime claims by the Clinton camp that the young challenger would melt under Republican heat. Now he must face weeks of struggle against a revitalized Clinton, and there’s no sign when it will end.

Robert Novak Primetime Politics
 

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Heard over here that there maybe even Super Super Delegates to sort out the vote.

What happened to democracy where the winner went forward.

That way no Super Delegates would be needed.
 

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Hey Sj, that's how the Dems set their primary season up. The Parties are independent entities that make their own rules and it wouldn't surprise me if the Clinton War Machine didn't have this whole strategy tabled in some back room plan before this whole primary started..They are that ruthless.... and prepared.

She'll probably take Pennsylvania on the 22nd as well along with several other of the remaining contests, then the Clintons will plead their momentum case to the super delegates who are beholden to the party insiders.
 

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Just heard a good one over here tonight.

If Hillary losses the vote to be the Democratic Candidate she will divorce Bill within three months.

What is your opinion on this??????????????????
 

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If Hillary losses the vote to be the Democratic Candidate she will divorce Bill within three months.

What is your opinion on this??????????????????
I've wondered about this myself.

They should end the sham that is their marriage.

But I think Bill and Hill will stay together for appearances and political expediency and just continue on with their agreement that allows both of them to secretly see other women. :mrgreen:
 

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Duroboat I can't believe you are not totally pumped up seeing Hill come back with a low blow victory to Obamma's Grapes! This is great, I hope they fight it out all of the way till the DNC. I hope that it gets so nasty that the festering sore that is the Demo party splits wide open and all hell breaks loose! Go Hillary!!! Make it a real fight!!

Besides that way John McCain Gets to campaign for the general election all by himself while the two socialist battle for the nomination.
 

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Billary stay together because if they split one would have to off the other. Knows too much. Thus a mutual support agreement. I bet they both have "If I die" deposit boxes and an insurance policy therein. Ya gotta remember no one close to them dies a natural death. lol
 
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