The Community Organizer in Chief is speaking tonight about the spill. Are you going to sit through his Anti-Capitalist lecture about the evils of big oil while the snake skin salesman sells you on the necessity for cap and tax, or will you refuse to be indoctrinated by the Marxist leadership? I for one would rather poke my eyes out with blunt sticks than subject myself to yet another political speech from who is shaping up to be the worse president in American History.
Big Night Tonight. Are U sitting on the edge of your chair?
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Re: Big Night Tonight. Are sitting on the edge of your chair?
Just pick an area of a large city any where in this or another country that is predominately one race other than yours, and then walk through it late at night. Then, tell me how that works for you, and how comfortable you feel being treated obviously differently than the other people walking down the street! If you've seen "real" racism, you'd know better. Or, you could be like me and live/work where you were the minority for a while, and you'd know better as well.
Or, maybe you just read some of the complaints by races in our own NW local news. There are definitely comments based on race whether you believe the Seattle cops were the racists ones or that the complaints were made against them because the cops were caucasian...you pick!
Sorry, you clearly don't know as much as you think you do, but nice try! clap:
You are wrong just like you were wrong to think that my post was directed at you in particular! wink: Just like you making an assumption that I need to get out more.RETTRO said:
Just pick an area of a large city any where in this or another country that is predominately one race other than yours, and then walk through it late at night. Then, tell me how that works for you, and how comfortable you feel being treated obviously differently than the other people walking down the street! If you've seen "real" racism, you'd know better. Or, you could be like me and live/work where you were the minority for a while, and you'd know better as well.
Or, maybe you just read some of the complaints by races in our own NW local news. There are definitely comments based on race whether you believe the Seattle cops were the racists ones or that the complaints were made against them because the cops were caucasian...you pick!
Sorry, you clearly don't know as much as you think you do, but nice try! clap:
Re: Big Night Tonight. Are sitting on the edge of your chair?
jimmy,
I really don't have the time or the inclination to correct/enlighten you, specifically.
There are particular scenarios that are more frequent in specific areas than others..get out and go see it.
It doesn't matter what I know about anything in particular.
It will just be more than you can understand or comprehend, when it comes to racism...
You need some realtime, hands-on education of/on the subject matter.
Veiling your actual experiences here shows you know absolutely nothing...
Acting as "Chief Curmudgeon" doesn't count... conf:
Glad to help you...
jimmy,
I really don't have the time or the inclination to correct/enlighten you, specifically.
There are particular scenarios that are more frequent in specific areas than others..get out and go see it.
It doesn't matter what I know about anything in particular.
It will just be more than you can understand or comprehend, when it comes to racism...
You need some realtime, hands-on education of/on the subject matter.
Veiling your actual experiences here shows you know absolutely nothing...
Acting as "Chief Curmudgeon" doesn't count... conf:
Glad to help you...
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retro billie bob bubba, wink: I'm pretty sure your experience can't touch mine on the subject, but it's not about who does or doesn't have what experience(s). That being said, "experience" isn't all what its cracked up to be. For instance, we all know people who can't drive who've been doing it for 10, 20, 30 or more years! clown:
In any case, my post was directed at those who can think and evaluate information. Regional bias isn't ok any more than racism is, and shows a desire to stereotype unfairly. Like all stereotyping, you can find exceptions which is why it's called stereotyping! clap:
retro billie bob bubba, wink: I'm pretty sure your experience can't touch mine on the subject, but it's not about who does or doesn't have what experience(s). That being said, "experience" isn't all what its cracked up to be. For instance, we all know people who can't drive who've been doing it for 10, 20, 30 or more years! clown:
In any case, my post was directed at those who can think and evaluate information. Regional bias isn't ok any more than racism is, and shows a desire to stereotype unfairly. Like all stereotyping, you can find exceptions which is why it's called stereotyping! clap:
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To jim henson, the muppet man...
Your superfluous & pontificated diatribe is as tiresome as the rest of your responses...
I heard all of this as a boy of 11 from my own grandfathers...Please be original. You should at the very least, borrow from Will Rogers if yer gonna do one of those elder "rewinds." :roll:
Even "billie bob bubba" is so overdone as to be overlooked...had to catch it the second read because of its commonplace use...
You gotta bring data to educated and experienced people to make a point. Talking about regional bias the way you do leads me to believe that's all you know about racism. There are 20 some known types of racism abound, yet today and to date, with more on the way. I suggest you use a new mental protocol and exercise your fingers with Google. It will be far more productive than your replies to this subtopic, for now.
Apply your own vast and veiled experience to your newfound edification via this internet, and we can find some common ground. I can then send you documentation supporting the things you've learned or wish to dispute for future study. This is a great opportunity. I don't wanna see you get roasted on a live chat, if you use them.
Saying experience isn't all that it's cracked up to be, is basically an old man tired of life and the living of it...but then you relish this experience against mine.
Are you alright? 'Tell me about your childhood." :ugeek: :lol:
Meh, I'm just havin' some fun with ya, jim...I do have great respect for my elders. I'm from the South...and actually proud of it.
We're both conservative...and that's good enough for me, even if we continue to argue. Have fun with a good last and seething quip. God knows I've got my share in..
I gotta life that includes my family, so I better get on back to it...plans and all..
To jim henson, the muppet man...
Your superfluous & pontificated diatribe is as tiresome as the rest of your responses...
I heard all of this as a boy of 11 from my own grandfathers...Please be original. You should at the very least, borrow from Will Rogers if yer gonna do one of those elder "rewinds." :roll:
Even "billie bob bubba" is so overdone as to be overlooked...had to catch it the second read because of its commonplace use...
You gotta bring data to educated and experienced people to make a point. Talking about regional bias the way you do leads me to believe that's all you know about racism. There are 20 some known types of racism abound, yet today and to date, with more on the way. I suggest you use a new mental protocol and exercise your fingers with Google. It will be far more productive than your replies to this subtopic, for now.
Apply your own vast and veiled experience to your newfound edification via this internet, and we can find some common ground. I can then send you documentation supporting the things you've learned or wish to dispute for future study. This is a great opportunity. I don't wanna see you get roasted on a live chat, if you use them.
Saying experience isn't all that it's cracked up to be, is basically an old man tired of life and the living of it...but then you relish this experience against mine.
Are you alright? 'Tell me about your childhood." :ugeek: :lol:
Meh, I'm just havin' some fun with ya, jim...I do have great respect for my elders. I'm from the South...and actually proud of it.
We're both conservative...and that's good enough for me, even if we continue to argue. Have fun with a good last and seething quip. God knows I've got my share in..
I gotta life that includes my family, so I better get on back to it...plans and all..
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True, but it's not as simple as "politicians lie". "people" lie, all the time. Studies prove that. Once you understand that simple concept (not implying you don't), it's very easy to fully understand what people really mean, politicians, and the average Joe... Tup:fishslave said:
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As an outside observer to the RETTRO and jimh dialog, if I may---
RETTRO I believe was discussing the big picture as it relates to race relations and our founding fathers. The origin of our historic race issue were focused on "the south" because that's where the divide between the two sides began, North and South, so historically RETTRO is correct in that "the south" is generally look upon as a less diverse region.
jimh on the other hand is also correct in that racial tension exists in all cities and in all regions. Just not to the same degree, IMHO. But in essence, both of you are correct. How'd I do?...
As an outside observer to the RETTRO and jimh dialog, if I may---
RETTRO I believe was discussing the big picture as it relates to race relations and our founding fathers. The origin of our historic race issue were focused on "the south" because that's where the divide between the two sides began, North and South, so historically RETTRO is correct in that "the south" is generally look upon as a less diverse region.
jimh on the other hand is also correct in that racial tension exists in all cities and in all regions. Just not to the same degree, IMHO. But in essence, both of you are correct. How'd I do?...
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Let's be careful about conflating racism and prejudice. Vastly different and in so many ways racism is used by the left to discourage any type of racial distinction between peoples as if we are all the same. We are not. IMHO the homogenization of races is not a positive step for the long term success of any civilization or social structure as much as devotion to common themes of patriotism and allegiances.
People can be a racists and not partake in racism. People can be bigoted and not be a racist. People can be prejudice and not be a racist. In today's society, people are too quick to label every act as racism and that IMHO detracts from the real situations where "racism" is occurring.
jimh,jimh said:
Let's be careful about conflating racism and prejudice. Vastly different and in so many ways racism is used by the left to discourage any type of racial distinction between peoples as if we are all the same. We are not. IMHO the homogenization of races is not a positive step for the long term success of any civilization or social structure as much as devotion to common themes of patriotism and allegiances.
People can be a racists and not partake in racism. People can be bigoted and not be a racist. People can be prejudice and not be a racist. In today's society, people are too quick to label every act as racism and that IMHO detracts from the real situations where "racism" is occurring.
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Honestly Gene,
This mushy diatribe and personal "anthem" (lol) is all widely known, but just wanted to repeat it...because I really believe it, as elementary as it is...
I just wish people today in these higher offices/callings would simply abide by the most basic understanding/reasoning/tradition of why/how they're all actually there. I don't think anyone does. If some did/do, they'd be put out for non-conformity their first terms...
These folks are (supposed to be) held to a higher standard/accountability and are supposed to be the best for/of The People. I know this is rudimentary thought, but they should not deny the most basic premises...I know the human drama and condition complicate all of this, entirely. We all know it. I just wish, sometimes...
We're all defined by the choices we make every day of our existence. The individual can choose not lie for their own sake or the collective mind of the political body. This also does not guarantee the body won't "collectively" lie....I know....Again, I just wish. There is someone in America, better suited and more qualified for the individual positions of office that would adhere to better morals, principles and ethics without succumbing to the excessive corruption that has ruined our Capital, today. They won't ever see election. If he/she does get elected, they'll be labeled the "Dark One" for their "unbelievable" actions...Lying and subversion is the norm of politics. To part from this "tradition" would certainly spell doom for the official... sick:
Is everyone greedy in Washington? I'd submit that everyone in the entire world is, to some varying degree...
I don't think everyone is corrupt, tho...just all of our elected officials, today...and our recent history...and further back...and further... :lol:
All we patriots here can do is go the polls...There is something sad about losing some measure of faith in the "system"...BUT I AIN'T A QUITTER.
Honestly Gene,
This mushy diatribe and personal "anthem" (lol) is all widely known, but just wanted to repeat it...because I really believe it, as elementary as it is...
I just wish people today in these higher offices/callings would simply abide by the most basic understanding/reasoning/tradition of why/how they're all actually there. I don't think anyone does. If some did/do, they'd be put out for non-conformity their first terms...
These folks are (supposed to be) held to a higher standard/accountability and are supposed to be the best for/of The People. I know this is rudimentary thought, but they should not deny the most basic premises...I know the human drama and condition complicate all of this, entirely. We all know it. I just wish, sometimes...
We're all defined by the choices we make every day of our existence. The individual can choose not lie for their own sake or the collective mind of the political body. This also does not guarantee the body won't "collectively" lie....I know....Again, I just wish. There is someone in America, better suited and more qualified for the individual positions of office that would adhere to better morals, principles and ethics without succumbing to the excessive corruption that has ruined our Capital, today. They won't ever see election. If he/she does get elected, they'll be labeled the "Dark One" for their "unbelievable" actions...Lying and subversion is the norm of politics. To part from this "tradition" would certainly spell doom for the official... sick:
Is everyone greedy in Washington? I'd submit that everyone in the entire world is, to some varying degree...
I don't think everyone is corrupt, tho...just all of our elected officials, today...and our recent history...and further back...and further... :lol:
All we patriots here can do is go the polls...There is something sad about losing some measure of faith in the "system"...BUT I AIN'T A QUITTER.
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I'm more optimistic than you I reckon... wink: I don't see the political glass half empty. This latest system wide failure by our government isn't the result of a two party system, it's the product of one party rule.
I'm more optimistic than you I reckon... wink: I don't see the political glass half empty. This latest system wide failure by our government isn't the result of a two party system, it's the product of one party rule.
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No one should argue about that kind of optimism.
I respect it, too.
I won't overestimate them, in any given political circumstance/scenario, no matter the Party.
This country needs a serious "political enema."
No one should argue about that kind of optimism.
I respect it, too.
I won't overestimate them, in any given political circumstance/scenario, no matter the Party.
This country needs a serious "political enema."
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Question;
Who would you trust your money with, a Conservative with financial experience and a history of success, or a liberal theorist who's devoid of experience but has what he would call "an idea of how to save and invest"?
Question;
Who would you trust your money with, a Conservative with financial experience and a history of success, or a liberal theorist who's devoid of experience but has what he would call "an idea of how to save and invest"?
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Whatever Rettro.
However, I fail to see ANYTHING Jimh posted that isn't 100% true. If your definition of racism isn't in tune with his, maybe you are the one who needs to reflect a bit.
(not sure my spoon is big enough, but at least I tried!)
Whatever Rettro.
However, I fail to see ANYTHING Jimh posted that isn't 100% true. If your definition of racism isn't in tune with his, maybe you are the one who needs to reflect a bit.
(not sure my spoon is big enough, but at least I tried!)
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Maybe you should reflect a bit on the posts in this thread and show us where jimh provided a "definition" of racism. wink:
Maybe you should reflect a bit on the posts in this thread and show us where jimh provided a "definition" of racism.
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"Again I say, politicians are not all the same....that's our sub-topic. This is not about socially acceptable/unacceptable racism adopted in that period of American history. This is about politicans all being the same, collectively...which you seem to be disputing me on/with the basis of racism.'
People are the same today as they were 300 years ago, motivated by the same things in life. The racist beliefs of the founding fathers are a small example of how people say one thing but do another when it benefits them. Either all men are created equal or they are not and the founding fathers thought all men were created equal as long as they were white males. You seem to believe that the founding fathers were for some divine reason exempt from being human and suffering the same follies of all humans. There is no fundamental difference in the founding fathers protecting their and their peers livelihoods and assets via legislation then and a politician doing the same thing today.
"Again I say, politicians are not all the same....that's our sub-topic. This is not about socially acceptable/unacceptable racism adopted in that period of American history. This is about politicans all being the same, collectively...which you seem to be disputing me on/with the basis of racism.'
People are the same today as they were 300 years ago, motivated by the same things in life. The racist beliefs of the founding fathers are a small example of how people say one thing but do another when it benefits them. Either all men are created equal or they are not and the founding fathers thought all men were created equal as long as they were white males. You seem to believe that the founding fathers were for some divine reason exempt from being human and suffering the same follies of all humans. There is no fundamental difference in the founding fathers protecting their and their peers livelihoods and assets via legislation then and a politician doing the same thing today.
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Yer wrong...agree to disagree, wholeheartedly...thankfully...
I'm glad I don't see the world the way you do, as well.
Don't you have another preamble to rewrite? :lol:
Maybe you should do more "in depth study," so you may further enlighten us all.... :roll:
Yer wrong...agree to disagree, wholeheartedly...thankfully...
I'm glad I don't see the world the way you do, as well.
Don't you have another preamble to rewrite? :lol:
Maybe you should do more "in depth study," so you may further enlighten us all.... :roll:
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All men are created equal but not all men end up equal.
Man today is vastly different than our ancestors. Size, shape, health, habits, beliefs, cognitive function, etc. Although many human traits are indelible, many evolve, thought included.
I believe the Founding Fathers" were only "racists" because of the era. It was an acceptable practice to own slaves. They, most likely would be very proud of how America has grown as a Country and works toward a more socially equal society. I think the only objection they would have is the left's execution via fiat and large government bureaucracies.
All men are created equal but not all men end up equal.
Man today is vastly different than our ancestors. Size, shape, health, habits, beliefs, cognitive function, etc. Although many human traits are indelible, many evolve, thought included.
I believe the Founding Fathers" were only "racists" because of the era. It was an acceptable practice to own slaves. They, most likely would be very proud of how America has grown as a Country and works toward a more socially equal society. I think the only objection they would have is the left's execution via fiat and large government bureaucracies.
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