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    seems like they are making hunting easy, just put the camera`s up and find out where the animals are and hunt that area, no more scouting, i think they should be outlawed.
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    Posted: November 30 2007 at 9:47am
    Putting a camera up is called scouting! I always scout an area before putting a camera up. Imo, I only put a camera up in an area that I have seen good sign. I now, with the camera, want to find out what exactly is in that area. i.e: how big, how many and how often.

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    Posted: November 30 2007 at 9:48am
    I believe the State is looking into banning them, accordingly to recent WSB newsletter.
    I don't like the State controlling us anymore than they already do. What will be next?

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    Posted: November 30 2007 at 9:54am
    I do not own one, but they are sure a good tool. If I bought one it would be more of a toy. Id like to set one up in some of the greenbelts in my neighborhood to see what gives.
    Its not that easy boater....A trail camera does not insure your success. Guys that use trail cams are scouting. They are just doing it differently than you would...if you even hunt.
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    Posted: November 30 2007 at 10:22am
    I think once you have one and check to see poor photo's no photo's or photo's of non-target game animals for months just to get a good photo. Then you will better understand the effort

    It's not as if you put up a camera and get trophies to walk in front of it like an antler magnet. You still have full responsibility to find the successfull loaction to put the camera. If you know that location well enough to put the camera in then you have done you job hunting/scouting...... Right? The camera is just confirmation of what you thought.

    From a wildlife managment point of view I don't know what I would do without them! I know so much more about what is in the bush now then just guessing.

    You can also know of a big animal that you have taken photo's of and hold out for that one rather then shoot an immature animal you may have thought was the best one there.

    They do nothing to help you shoot, or hunt. As I said if you place the camera in a good place to get photos then you already knew it was a good spot. The photo's just confirm it.


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    Posted: November 30 2007 at 10:53am
    Originally posted by JJHACK

    I think once you have one and check to see poor photo's no photo's or photo's of non-target game animals for months just to get a good photo. Then you will better understand the effort

    It's not as if you put up a camera and get trophies to walk in front of it like an antler magnet. You still have full responsibility to find the successfull loaction to put the camera. If you know that location well enough to put the camera in then you have done you job hunting/scouting...... Right? The camera is just confirmation of what you thought.

    From a wildlife managment point of view I don't know what I would do without them! I know so much more about what is in the bush now then just guessing.

    You can also know of a big animal that you have taken photo's of and hold out for that one rather then shoot an immature animal you may have thought was the best one there.

    They do nothing to help you shoot, or hunt. As I said if you place the camera in a good place to get photos then you already knew it was a good spot. The photo's just confirm it.


    Exactly!!


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    Posted: November 30 2007 at 11:29am
    Word! I Have never used one yet but I plan on it.. they are a great tool, but they have to be placed ina good area and thats all on YOU
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    Posted: November 30 2007 at 2:52pm
    Originally posted by JJHACK

    I think once you have one and check to see poor photo's no photo's or photo's of non-target game animals for months just to get a good photo. Then you will better understand the effort

    It's not as if you put up a camera and get trophies to walk in front of it like an antler magnet. You still have full responsibility to find the successfull loaction to put the camera. If you know that location well enough to put the camera in then you have done you job hunting/scouting...... Right? The camera is just confirmation of what you thought.

    From a wildlife managment point of view I don't know what I would do without them! I know so much more about what is in the bush now then just guessing.

    You can also know of a big animal that you have taken photo's of and hold out for that one rather then shoot an immature animal you may have thought was the best one there.

    They do nothing to help you shoot, or hunt. As I said if you place the camera in a good place to get photos then you already knew it was a good spot. The photo's just confirm it.


    You hit the nail on the head JJ. All it does is confirm that a trophy that we scouted uses that area and it's worth all the time at it took to get him into the picture.
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    Posted: November 30 2007 at 3:46pm
    I think in most situations they are not a help at all. so ya find an animal on it that you like. Now try and find it! its like looking for a needle in a stack of needles in a pile of hay. i think it just provides you with more confidence to keep you interested. if your stand hunting it may help, but thats about it in my opinion. been chasing deer along time, havn't been skunked in 14 years now, and for me, they would be of no value. but i think it would be fun to set 'em up just to see whats out there. a neat gadget.
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    I have been considering one of these handy trail cameras for some time. Unless you have unlimited time to spend in the woods scouting ( I don't), can see where this would be an excellent addition to my hunting equipment...Like my Bushnell Scout rangefinder.

    getting close to purchasing the Cuddeback model, newer 3.0 .....any opinions?
    Often I hear of problems of the Cuddeback brand and with the high ticket price, I'd like to be reassured prior to making this purchase.
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    Posted: November 30 2007 at 11:25pm
    Should out law people driving the roads looking for stupid animals standing out in the open first. Some call it road hunting, but it is not really hunting.
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    Posted: November 30 2007 at 11:54pm
    I can tell you it does not make your hunting easy. I started playing around with two different cameras this past year and I found it kind of disappionting. I thought it would be a slam dunk for elk and I found out I have alot to learn about setting up a trail cam. There are so many things that have to happen to get a good picture I can not list them all. I will say that I think it is a good tool for the hunter and it will tell you what is in the woods and it will tell you who is in the woods also. I set a goal for my self this next season to get five good pictures of a bull elk and I am going to work alot harder to get them pictures than last season. I think it is fun to see just what all goes on in a area when you are not there.
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    Posted: December 01 2007 at 12:35am
    Originally posted by boater

    seems like they are making hunting easy, just put the camera`s up and find out where the animals are and hunt that area, no more scouting, i think they should be outlawed.


    So can we assume you've used cameras a lot? How else would you know that they make hunting so easy?
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    Posted: December 01 2007 at 9:04am
    I don't have enough faith in my fellow man to put an expensive item out there for some tweaker to rip off, at least on public land. Perhaps if I had access to some private areas it might be worth the kick of seeing some of the critters that are much too wary to be diurnal.
    Besides I would would rather spend the bucks on powder and bullets.
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    Posted: December 01 2007 at 10:07am
    Originally posted by fish vacuum

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    seems like they are making hunting easy, just put the camera`s up and find out where the animals are and hunt that area, no more scouting, i think they should be outlawed.


    So can we assume you've used cameras a lot? How else would you know that they make hunting so easy?


    no i dont, but i could buy about 4 of them in put them up in the woods where i hunt and figure out when they walk buy and just go sit and wait for them





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    Posted: December 01 2007 at 10:19am
    Originally posted by Big TULE

    Should out law people driving the roads looking for stupid animals standing out in the open first. Some call it road hunting, but it is not really hunting.


    i kinda like going to a place like vail to road hunt, you stay nice and warm in the truck

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    Posted: December 01 2007 at 3:02pm
    Hell I have road hunted on old logging roads in the past. I will probably do it again depending on weather and other considerations.
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    Posted: December 01 2007 at 5:40pm
    Originally posted by Big TULE

    Should out law people driving the roads looking for stupid animals standing out in the open first. Some call it road hunting, but it is not really hunting.
    some people can't get out and walk the hill's like u can so it's the only option they got, or should the state just not sell them a license....
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    Posted: December 01 2007 at 6:59pm
    I get a kick out of some folks idea of hunting. Sitting in a blind or tree stand waiting for the meat rack to walk by isn't hunting, it's shooting. I enjoy shooting too. In another era Modern Rifle had time in late Nov and December. Had some tracking snow. Neat to dog a set of tracks until you got to see the animal in your scope.
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    Posted: December 02 2007 at 6:00pm
    How would the state even begin to 'outlaw' this type of camera??!!..much less, enforce it!!..more of a toy than anything else, and multi use also, not just for 'animals'.

    Sitting in a blind and calling birds in, is very much indeed hunting in my book!
    People that cannot walk due to having no legs, and setting up in a blind to take a whitetail is also 'hunting' in my book!!!!!

    I've got a cuddeback trail cam, and its absolutely amazing. I've got some great pictures of some really nice bucks, but let me tell you thats probably all i'll ever get out of it! The longest period I set the camera up I took photos of 3 different bucks... Over the course of two weeks, I photographed each buck ONE time... Just goes to show you that there isn't much "patterning" involved with it... just luck. I photographed one of those same 3 bucks 2 months later, probably a good couple miles from that place... so the only thing i've proved is how elusive and random their movements are. Definately alot of fun, but it would take a ton of work to pattern the deer and use this thing to my advantage.
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    Trailcams rock. Some of my favorite posts here are the pics from them

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    Posted: December 02 2007 at 9:09pm
    I don't think it's cheating. I enjoy hiking up to check our camera. Kinda exciting actually. The anticipation to see what's on there. Or what has tried to eat our camera this time.

    Don't think we did't to our homework to see where the camera was going to go. If you think that you can just go out and throw a camera up anywhere and get pictures. Nothing could be farther from the truth. You should try it. You might find that the unknown might just be more fun than you thought.

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    X5' folks that cannot walk have a very good cause for sitting in a blind to take a white tail. Riding a putt putt around the forest is ok too for some afflicted hunters. However, sitting up a tree in a blind or in a tower on a bean field is shooting in my book, not hunting. Taking waterfowl via the blind method is a lot more productive than walking a creek and jump shooting ducks, I can even call that hunting. Besides the method is vetted by tradition. Sitting in a hole in a wheatfield or on a skiff in the cold seems ap pro po of paying your dues too.

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    Posted: December 03 2007 at 9:37am
    Originally posted by jabba

    I get a kick out of some folks idea of hunting. Sitting in a blind or tree stand waiting for the meat rack to walk by isn't hunting, it's shooting. I enjoy shooting too. In another era Modern Rifle had time in late Nov and December. Had some tracking snow. Neat to dog a set of tracks until you got to see the animal in your scope.


    I get a kick out of these type of guys! Road hunters track followers. Do you know what kind of work it takes to set up a blind, the scouting that is involved and the patients that you have to have to wait out that big buck or small doe you may be after.

    I do understand that everybody has their own methods of hunting and I to get a kick out of rifle hunters that complain about length of seasons between stick throwers, pole smokers etc. and rifle hunters. If you don't like you season be versital and try something new, try muzzleloading, or bow hunting. Let me know how you do, using youe techniques in hunting. I would like to know how you do and how long it takes you to harvest you animal.

    Imo, I get a kick out of these guys that call themselves hunters that shoot the animal they are hunting at 300 yds, and are proud! They should be proud of a shot that far, but being proud of being that top notch hunter? I don't think so, THAT IS CALLED SHOOTING!!!!!

    I hunted 15 years with a rifle before I totally switched over to archery. The hunting skills it takes for me to get my deer with my bow are far more extreme than with my rifle. I took me two years to even start to understand what I need to do and try. I love archery hunting and have no illed feelings toward people who rifle hunt, just issues with rifle hunters that complain about archers and have no idea what it takes to hunt with a bow and arrow!!!!!

    I also was successfull every year I rifle hunted, it was easy!!!!! I have also been successful the last 6 years of archery hunting!!!

    All I have to say is try it!!! Especially for whitetail!

    Oh, I still think that cameras are a great scouting tool in the woods.
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    Posted: December 03 2007 at 10:06am
    Seem like a lot of you just want something to argue about! OMG, and Yes, If you feel accused, you should. What's wrong with hunting in a legal manner. Why not focus on actions where someone is doing something ILLEGAL. Besides, if everyone hunted the way you do, where you do, then you would really have something to bitch about. All those "other" hunters that were out there in the same place with you, doing it YOUR way.

    Relax people, just enjoy hunting your way, and realize that others need their space and time to do the same or pursue non-hunting activities. If everybody hunted, there would be no room for us.
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    Posted: December 03 2007 at 2:43pm
    Reading through the posts here with regards to this topic I just had to comment. Trail cams do not make hunting easier anywhere. They should not be illegal. It does make it better to manage a particular harvest and allow you to hunt an area where you can take an animal that needs to be harvested. The camera allows you to view the herd and make a good decision based on what you see. That is how I use a camera. The comment about tree stand hunting not being hunting is pretty one sided thinking about hunting. Having hunted many of the States especially in the South you don't have the luxury to spot and stalk game. And if you did you would be working through swamps with snakes and other critters. It takes skill to be able to place a stand in an area that will produce and keep the area scent free getting into it. Mock scrapes can be made and assist you in making a good harvest on a good animal by your stand. So it all takes skill even if your not humping through the woods cutting tracks. My .02 cents.
     
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