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Is anybody really listening to Sen Obama and Sen Clinton?

Both want to renegotiate NAFTA, and in the words of Obama he wants to "hammer" on Canada and Mexico BUT he will break bread with Raul Castro. Way to go, kiss and hug the bad guys while you piss off Canada and Mexico. That is a great way to make sure that no one likes or trusts us.
 

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DBAppraiser said:
Is anybody really listening to Sen Obama and Sen Clinton?

That is a great way to make sure that no one likes or trusts us.
Since when di any republican care how we were viewed in the rest of the world, this must be some new development........ wink:

After listening to you guys deride anyone who even came close to considering how we were viewed abroad for some 7 years now, I am sort of surprised that all of a sudden it's an issue for you.

Just another example of the 'situation ethics and values' so prevelant in the modern day Republican Party.

Renegotiating trade deals has been done since the first trade deal was struck, it's not exactly a new idea, or unheard of.

But carry on, sally forth into the wretched bowels of the rightwing echosphere, littered with the filth of Malkin, North, Coulter and so forth. Wallow in the half truths and misrepresentations that are the hallmark of modern day Republicans.

Repeat the talking points, by all means, and whatever you do, keep it up full volume.

It'll help the Democrats crush your party come November......................... Tup:
 

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lol. it just occurred to me that if you are wrong about November next, you will be in a world of hurt. Ibuprofen won't help. Do you have a plan B? I hope it includes a lot of time fishing and maybe eating the other feathered meat. Crow.
 

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Well if I'm wrong I'm wrong..................

But so far my track record is pretty good.

It won't be thend of my life, I was wrong once before.

I thought I was wrong but I was right.................. wink:
 

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But so far my track record is pretty good.
He wants us to forget about Darcy Burner's campaign and the fact that he worked on it. :lol:

'situation ethics and values'
Goes both ways. Keep clinging to your extremism, maybe it will keep you content when the tables are turned.
 

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I never predicted she'd win, fs, I simply volunteered.

I'll probably work for her again, as I feel she'll better represent my district than the current occupant.

The district is changing , and with the narrow loss last year, she has a decent chance once again.
 

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Funny how you ask whether people are listening to Obama and Hillary and Divider goes on a tear about Republicans... clown: clap:

Many people ARE listening. Problem is many people don't know how digest what they are being told. He's a full blown Socialists. He's dangerous to the country. He's pulled the wool over the eyes of those wearing rose colored glasses. Tdown:
 

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I never predicted she'd win, fs, I simply volunteered.
There was a point that you were willing to say she all but had it in the bag.

I also predicted the Dems would take the oval office this year. Even if they do, we won't have a good president, except maybe in your mind. Mediocrity seems to be acceptable to Americans of both persuasions.
 

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He's a full blown Socialists. :
I sincerely hope that is the Republican game plan for '08............................. Tup:

Toss in the muslim and tribesman while you're at it please. If you could also continuosly claim that Democrats are secretly planning to turn the country over to 'teh terrorists', we would appreciate that also. Consider adding 'traitor' every so often as well. Be sure to say his middle name as much as possible too.

I promise I won't be saying 'John Sidney McCain' though.............. wink:

Most Americans, and by that I mean a 'significant majority' disagree with Bush, his policies and his priorities. McLame is essentially casting about to the extremes of his party in an attempt to assure them he will be a 'Bush Third Term'.

Frankly, I didn't want a Bush first term, so why would a I want a third ?
 

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I never predicted she'd win, fs, I simply volunteered.
There was a point that you were willing to say she all but had it in the bag.
I don't recall saying that, but I may have.
If you have a copy of my saying that, I'd be interested in seeing it. If it was posted over on the other board, just PM me the link please.

When I think back to that time, it seemed that most of the volunteers, myself included, were cautiously optimistic about her chances, and a quick review here of some e-mails I have from last campaign shows that was my view at the time also.

That doesn't mean I didn't want her to win, just means that we knew it would be a close race. The Republicans sent Bush out to raise money last cycle, it was his first appearance for House incumbent. This year he sent the old lady, again, first appearance in a fundraser this year for a House incumbent. We realize this seat is important to the Republicans, otherwise they wouldn't continue to come here and help raise money for the incumbent.

Worth pointing out, netroots outraised Bush last time........ Tup: .......small donations by individuals on the 'net outraised a personal appearance by Bush in the wealthiest Zip Code in Washington.

You can continue to call an 'extemeist' and whatever else you want.
I just consider the source, and continue to work for what I feel are needed changes in government.
 

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DBA, The only change they want is the change in your pocket!!!
 

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fishslave said:
I never predicted she'd win, fs, I simply volunteered.
There was a point that you were willing to say she all but had it in the bag.
Well I just did a bit of prowling around the archives....................... :mrgreen:

This is as close I as could find to a 'prediction' that Burner 'all but had it in the bag'....................... :lol:

10-19-06

WASHINGTON (8th CD)

SurveyUSA. 10/15-17. Likely voters. MoE 4.7% (9/24-26 results)

Reichert (R) 50 (50)
Burner (D) 47 (48)

This race appears static and neck and neck. GOTV will determine the winner. If you are in the Seattle area, you've got your mission -- get Burner over the finish line first.

Seems like within the margin of error would meet even the lowest bar for neck and neck, but I am sure you have some numbers that say it's Reichert in a landslide, right?
KK

(the last portion of that old post was in a reply to someone who called himself 'thekang' for a short period of time, before he slithered of into oblivion)

Perhpas I posted it somewhere else, or I didn't look hard enough............... wink:

Funny, reading the archives was a real chuckle, the animosity level was much higher back then,less humor.
One poster here was still taking a 'wait and see' attitude on Santorum though, even while he was 10/12/ 15 points down...........

'Man on Dog, whatever'...........still crack up when I read that.
 

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I sincerely hope that is the Republican game plan for '08
SO DO I! But it ain't gonna happen. Everyone in the party is too frick'n scared to be labeled a bigot or racist from the shackles of fear and ignorance from people worried about political correctness and the media who protect Obama like a retarded kid wearing a helmet.

I do want someone unafraid to draw the contrast between the two parties and ask the tough questions like how are you gonna pay for all those social programs. Like why he feels profits are BAD. Questions like how in the hell is talking to terrorists gonna make them stop hating us. Like how will he clean up Iraq when we leave it in chaos. questions like why does he think bombing a sovereign country like Pakistan to take out terror target is a legitimate plan if he's against pre-emptive strike. I want someone to point out the differences in how they would appoint judges. I want someone unafraid to call a spade a spade, a socialist a socialist and a liberal a liberal. That is exactly what I want.

I believe that if the American people understood the clear and un muddled positions of their candidates they would always choose the side of conservatism not liberalism. But that is not how Democrats campaign. Not how Republicans campaign. They attempt to bridge the gap between left and right making it damn near indistinguishable between the two parties just to appease the center and I think that's BS. Liberal have ideas and Conservatives have ideas and it's high time the American people were given a clear choice not this reach'n across the isle crap we always hear about...

That's why I support Romney. He would have been the one to respectfully and affectively distinguish Conservatism from Liberalism. Tup:
 

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That's why I support Romney. He would have been the one to respectfully and affectively distinguish Conservatism from Liberalism.
Well that would depend on which day Romney was speaking now, wouldn't it................................ :mrgreen:

The only person doing anything remotely close to that sort of differentiation was Ron Paul, and while he raised the needed money, and nobody was going to be able to question his Conservative bonafides, his own party maginalized him, in large part due to his views on, not the Iraq war, but the Federal Reserve.

I saw him questioning Bernanke the other day on You Tube, the guy is a pit bull.

Check it out, Bernanke was essentially reduced to agreeing with Paul.

Change..............now Ron Paul would have REALLY meant change.................. :mrgreen:

Hope.............you Republicans REALLY need some..................................... :mrgreen:

When Republicans actually stood for something, and had a message outside of 'vote for us or you'll die', they were able, through years of hard work and grass roots organizing, to win a few elections. I didn't agree with many of their policies, but had to hand it to them for working really hard, in all 50 states, to build local networks.
Matter of fact, I'll openly state right here that I felt the Dem's took too much for granted, and felt the Clinton's 50 percent plus one' strategy was not sustainable, nor good for the long term viability of Dems on a local level. I have been pleased to see the Dems go back to a 50 state strategy, as opposed to 50 percent plus one strategy.
Obviously it's paid off.

Working in politcs, 'the art of the possible', can be frustrating. But if the citizenry abandons the process, the lobbyists will win, that much is clear.

I'd encourage you to get out and work for whoever you support ff, I mean that sincerely. Those who have read my 'drivel' over the years know one of things I feel strongly about is participating in politics beyond just voting, really getting out there making you view known. It's fun for me, even if it's just doorbelling, phonebanking, and the more mundane things about a campaign.

One thing about working in a campaign, once you start, and show any kind of ability at all, or show any sort of 'skill' that can be used, you'll have way more requests for your time than you are able to give. You could be on your way to being 'Rep. FF '
(ok, now I am re thinking this advice)

Now get out there and work for Rossi, or work for McCain, or work for...............whoever...........even if it's just 1 hour a month........................... Tup:
 

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Sounded like an old fashioned libertarian to me. they haven't changed there views as long as I have been reading about politics. Federal Reserve, Isolationist, Small Government, No UN .............all issues that I can remember Orrin Hatch writing about in the John Birch magazines I used to read back in the early 70's............... wink:

He certainly didn't sound like a neocon................now there's some people who sound like nuts. :mrgreen:
 

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Funny how you ask whether people are listening to Obama and Hillary and Divider goes on a tear about Republicans... clown: clap:

Many people ARE listening. Problem is many people don't know how digest what they are being told. He's a full blown Socialists. He's dangerous to the country. He's pulled the wool over the eyes of those wearing rose colored glasses. Tdown:
Barack Obama on the issues

I recently had a conversation with a good friend of mine about Barack Obama. When he told me that Obama represents “change� and a break with the past, I agreed. I said that Hillary Clinton has been around forever and people are tired of the Clintononian will to power. Many Democrats are embarrassed by their racial comments and attempts to divide minority groups against each other for their own political purposes.

But if Barack Obama is going to change things, shouldn’t we talk about the direction he will take the country if elected? Too many of his enthusiastic, young supporters have no clue what he has voted for or against during his years as a state senator in Illinois or as a United States Senator.

One of the most comprehensive websites for such voting records is OnTheIssues.org

A quick glance at this website shows us that Obama voted against banning partial birth abortion, a most gruesome procedure that is akin to infanticide. He also opposed a bill that would require parental notification for minors that get abortions across state lines.

Obama has voted YES on banning exploration for oil in Alaska. So when he talks about weaning us from our dependence on foreign oil, how serious can he be? If he doesn’t support increasing the domestic supply of oil and gas, how does he expect us to use less foreign energy and keep our own prices down?

Obama has recently been part of a growing Democrat cacophony of free trade bashing, along with Hillary Clinton. He voted against the Central American Free Trade Agreement, and has indicated he would amend the North American Free Trade Agreement. Never missing an opportunity to reward the unions, he supports doing away with secret ballots for union organizing, which would only allow more union intimidation of workers.

Obama voted YES on giving illegal aliens Social Security benefits. He also supports raising taxes on legal residents to pay for the Social Security shortfall. At the same time, he voted against stopping the raid on the Social Security Trust Fund! This means that Obama would rather raise taxes on the rest of us than make sure that the money meant for Social Security is applied to those entitled to legal Social Security benefits.

Obama has secured millions in pork barrel projects, including $3 million for Chicago Parks and $1 million to the GoGirlGO! Chicago Initiative. And that is just the tip of the iceberg. He has directed taxpayer dollars to pay for projectors at a planetarium and renovating entire buildings in his district.

Obama voted against repealing the death tax, against repealing the alternative minimum tax, supports repealing capital gains taxes, voted NO on extending the capital gains and dividend tax cuts and is rated a 100% liberal by the left-wing Citizens for Tax Justice.

I will continue to post information on Obama’s votes and public statements in the quixotic hope that at least some of his emotionally charged supporters will begin to think about what his presidency will mean for their pocketbooks, the economy as a whole, our foreign policy and our culture.

And don't fret about the emotional let down the divisive sheeple who hate America will experience when the bubble bursts. We have the best medical care in the world here in America and the burden upon the Psychiatric branch will be a boon to their bottom line. :mrgreen:
 

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Why would you assume I don't work at supporting someone? clown: Advice is better received by those who seek it. Tup: I'll worry about my role, you worry about yours. :mrgreen:

Ron Paul didn't just "sound" like a nut. He is a nut. That's why the Democrats like him. He echoes their sentiment and squeals like a nasally lil' girl when he's whining.
 

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I didn't assume anything, I just encouraged you to do so. If you are working, good for you................. Tup:

More people should do so.
 
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