Now That We're In Deep PooPoo As A Country

[SledgeHammer]

Anyone here want to defend Obama? Which one of you libs will openly admit that he has done a good job and you will vote for him for a second term? Step up to the microphone and make your case. I'm going out on a limb and will say that nobody has the gonads to stand with Obama and his ideology, at least, on this site.

[SledgeHammer]

Just as I thought, crickets from the libs. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pyj2qL-bQ4E

[SledgeHammer]

And if you think I'll let it go, you're mad, you got another thing coming. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2RRoCkncvYo

[peyton00]

I wonder how bad your lifestyle must be? I am 42 and the presidency has had very little impact on my life in general. I live a happy life and spend much of my time doing things I enjoy . The past and current presidents have not interfered with my life choices. I may disagree with policies and diplomacy... I survived thru the Reagan and the Bush era's ... I can handle Obama's antics.

Enjoy life/family before you eventually die.


Doom and Gloom has never been a selling point for me.

I like reality with a dash of reality.

[SledgeHammer]

Peyton, my lifestyle is great and very simple. I am 47 and debt free, and have been for many years. I retired at 37. Everything I own is paid off. I pay cash for everything. If I can't pay cash for something, I don't buy it. I am not worried about money. As a matter of fact, money is not important to me. What I am worried about is where our country is going. If you can't see what is going on, you are either blind or don't pay attention. We are nearing 16 trillion in debt and it grows at $100,000.00 every 2-1/2 seconds. I see what is coming because I study hard. What is around the corner is not good for most. Just watch and see what happens this spring and summer with the OWS movement. That will be your first eye opener. Oh, by the way, I died in 1986 when I was burned in an explosion. I was brought back to life and that was the best thing that ever happened to me. Trust me, I know what a happy life is, because I live it every day.

[peyton00]

If money brings people happiness, they deserve the fall when it disappears. I have always worked, I don't mention money too often. I guess its because I always have money to play..... This is still the best country to live in.... even after 4 years of Obama.
If you think one man as POTUS can destroy the country in 4 or 8 years... loosen up the collar. It won't happen, and I don't see it in the next 4 years. After Obama, it will go back to the Conservatives and it will be the same old song and dance.

What doom and gloom of Obama are you referencing?

Has Obama done anything nearly as bad as the Patriot Act? ...what is your perception?

[eddie]

Given what I see on the GOP side, it is most likely I will vote for Obama again. I will give a hard look at Romney, but I'm not confident that he will pass scrutiny.

[Skorzeny]

Anybody but Obammy for me. There are of course limitations but I think the O guy is the enemy of America at heart.
I am 79 years old as of Robert E. Lee's last birthday in 2012. I have read a bunch of history and I wish it was a required
subject for public office. We tend to make the same mistakes over and over. And since so many shallows exist I suppose
we again will be run aground ala cruise ship with a nit wit at the helm. Hope not, but plan for the worst. Obama

[SledgeHammer]

Doom and gloom of Obama. I don't know where to begin. It's not just Obama, it's the mindset of congress, both repubs and dems. It's easy to spend money that's not yours. We need to tighten up the belt and stop with all of the government handouts. Now it's more beneficial to receive unemployment than to get a job. Where is the incentive? Half of the country does not pay federal income tax. Where is the fairness there? Everybody should participate and have some skin in the game. The Obama admin is sidelining our constitution every chance he gets. We are losing our freedoms every day. By the way, I agree, the Patriot Act is horrible. If people only knew how intrusive it is. The Obama admin has an all out assault on the second amendment. I can go on and on and on. He is a socialist at heart. A far lefty that does not believe in our constitution. He is about big government controlling everything. He is anti capitalist. His mentors and idols are communists. He is all about redistribution of wealth and higher taxes on the rich. Bottom line, he just not good for this country. If you believe in sucking on the government nipple and getting things for nothing, vote for Obama. Every liberal wants someone else to blame for their failures, and lack of success. This isn't directed to you Peyton, it's a statement directed towards those who have no ambition to better themselves. Just look at what is happening in Greece. Our country is heading down the road of failure. It doesn't have to be this way. People need to read the constitution and declaration of independence. Heck, they don't even teach that in public schools anymore. Libs are all about rewriting history.

[Auburnguy]

I find it extremely amusing that you start out the last paragraph claiming it's both Dems and Republicans, yet the last phrase clearly states your bias. Both have pros and cons. I totally agree with Peyton. Do I agree with all that any president has done? Absolutely not. The doom and gloom is nothing different from any other election. Each party descibes the coming catastrophy should the other continue their ways.

That being said, I will vote for Obama. i, personally, think we are on a positive track. Could it be better, sure. Do I think any of the GOP candidates will take us in a better direction? Not a chance. That's my opinion. No, I'm not a sheep. I base my decisions and opinions on what I see and how I view things. I believe we are all entitled to our own opinions and perspectives without judgement. I believe in being openminded and not judging things without looking at all angles. I guess that's part of what draws me to be more of a Dem. I see far more willingness to compromise from that side of the isle than from the GOP. That's my perspective. I don't expect anyone to agree with it nor do I truly care if anyone disagrees. It's still my perspective and opinion which I am entitled to through the constitution.

[TheHunt]

Obama is a socialist that simple.

[peyton00]

Obama is a socialist that simple.

So was FDR. He started Social Security. He didn't get that bad of a wrap during his eulogy.

[Skorzeny]

FDR and Obama are poles apart unfortunately. FDR at least tried to do what was good for the Federal Republic and its'
citizens. Difficult to say that about Obama. He wants to tear up the Republic and build a... what? USSA perhaps?
He has a lot of help out there. Slime like Soros and his ilk for instance.

[SledgeHammer]

Yes, I am bias. I am a conservative. I don't like anything about liberalism. Liberalism destroys the heart. I like to see people succeed on their own. I don't like to see people becoming dependent on the government. When it's easier to take handouts, and not work to better yourself, that's not a good thing. I believe that we should care for the elderly and handicapped. Welfare should not become a way of life. It should be temporary, and if you are receiving it, you should have to work in some way, get training, etc. You should also be drug tested. I believe in private charities. They do a better job of helping people than the government. What is it with liberals and charities? They sure aren't very generous with their money. Biden donated a whopping $369.00, and Obama, with earnings of a little over a million dollars, donated $10,000.00 which is about 1%. My wife and I donated more than those two combined, and we didn't pull in anywhere near a million.

[Auburnguy]

Yes, I am bias. I am a conservative. I don't like anything about liberalism. Liberalism destroys the heart.

This right here is what I consistently see from the GOP. No compromise to get something done, just absolutes. Isn't negotiation give and take? I think that's a lost art on the Tea party/Gop/conservatives, yet they blame all impasses on the Dems.

I can also find common ground with both sides which I also consider myself a moderate.

I, too, like to see people succeed on their own. I like to see that opportunity to be there do so along with the resources available to all. I also agree that welfare has transcended from assistance to subsistence for many. I believe welfare/SSI fraud needs to be investigated more as I think a good amount of money is sent to those who are faking or exaggerating their disabilities. That makes it that much harder for those who genuinely need help to get it. There are some common ground for moderates. I don't agree with the extremists on either side.

[Salmo g.]

Sledge,

You must be wound pretty tight. You waited all of 46 minutes from your initial post to comment on the lack of response. Some of us have a life away from the internet with better things to do than wait for a silly post from you to reply to. It's the internet; ya' take what ya' get.

I'm going to vote again for Obama for a couple reasons. First because Obama gives Sledge, Skorz, Bonzo, and Birch such heartburn. It's almost worth it just for that. And then there's the other reason, mainly that none of the Republican candidates have anything positive to offer the country. All they can do is bash Obama, but none has laid out a constructive alternative path for the country, unless you think constructive alternatives consist of old white men regulating women's reproductive rights and preventing gays from getting married and deporting all the illegal Mexican workers that their conservative corporate buddies depend on for cheap labor, and while they all criticize Obama's handling of the war in Afghanistan, not a one has an alternative plan. Oh, and they all want to cut taxes more for the 1 percenters. Now that will do a lot for the federal budget and deficit. All the Republicans had to do is put up a candidate with half a plan, that is a decent and constructive plan, and they'd walk away with the next election and achieve their wet dream of making Obama a 1-term prez. But they didn't.

Sg

[WidgeonmanGH]

All the Republicans had to do is put up a candidate with half a plan, that is a decent and constructive plan, and they'd walk away with the next election and achieve their wet dream of making Obama a 1-term prez. But they didn't.

While I do not agree with much, I cannot disagree with this statement. It is the truth and sadly represents the bankruptcy of our political process. In the end the results will be the same.

[Skorzeny]

Well the good Lord willing, Inshallah some say I will cancel your vote. Salmo g. I realize you get your daily
bread at the government Udder. It is difficult to let go.

[Bonzo]

---> Working Together

Been finding an unfamiliar local number on my caller ID lately but with no corresponding message on the machine. This evening I decided to call back and see if it might be someone I know or something important.

It was! Yup! It was da man from Organizing for America. The county organizer in chief had been calling to talk to me personally about keeping America free.

He asked if I support the President and I concurred. "Of course I support the President," I said. "I always support the President. It is the patriotic thing to do."

He was pleased with my answer and asked if I would like to join him in helping to assure that Obama wins in November?

I learned that Organizing For America of Washington State is a Grass Roots Organization that is working to insure the reelection of our Great President, Barack Obama.

They had called to announce a "Training Opportunity". They are currently recruiting and training dedicated volunteers to help in that effort and were calling to discuss the possibility of our "Working Together".

I had to admit that November was a long way off and I hadn't committed to voting for our Great President, Barack Obama but that the alternatives are not as attractive as I had expected.

Did I miss my opportunity to join in doing what is right?

<--- Opportunity Knocked.

[powder]

He doesn't need their help. Romney, Santorum and Gingrich are campaigning him right back into office...

Oh and i love how this is so sudden to some people. Now that the country is tits up... since it just happened like a week ago right??? I'm sorry but it's extremely ignorant to think this is all Obama or our current congresses fault. This crap has been going on for term after term.

[Skorzeny]

I can't believe it, Bonzo you passed up an opportunity to be a Community Organizer. And to be trained by the
organization of the EXPERT himself. Oh My.
The dumbchits, cadavers and felons along with the employees of the gubmint you could have led to the polls.
Oh my oh my

[Auburnguy]

I was doing some reading up on the great depression and noted some striking similarities to what we've experienced in the recession. Some, I really find amusing given the criticisms voiced here......not that I expect anyone to acknowledge them.

http://www.thegreatdepressioncauses.com/facts.html
http://facts.randomhistory.com/2009/04/ ... ssion.html

[Bonzo]

---> 1929 - 2012

Although the Great Depression was relatively mild in some countries, it was severe in others, particularly in the United States, where, at its nadir in 1933, 25 percent of all workers and 37 percent of all nonfarm workers were completely out of work.

President Roosevelt came into office proposing a New Deal for Americans. The centerpieces of the New Deal were the Agricultural Adjustment Act (AAA) and the National Recovery Administration (NRA), both of which were aimed at reducing production and raising wages and prices.

The Supreme Court ruled the NRA unconstitutional on May 27, 1935, and the AAA unconstitutional on January 6, 1936. Released from the shackles of the NRA, American industry began to expand production. By the fall of 1935 a vigorous recovery was under way.

Senator Robert Wagner, in the summer of 1935, authored the National Labor Relations Act to ensure that union members could force other workers to join their unions with a simple majority vote, thus effectively monopolizing the labor force.

Several other factors also pushed up real labor costs. Social Security taxes were instituted in 1936 and 1937. Also, Roosevelt had pushed through a new tax on undistributed corporate profits, expecting this to cause firms to pay out undistributed profits in dividends. Though some firms did pay out part of the retained earnings in larger dividends, others paid bonuses and raised wage rates to avoid paying their retained earnings in new taxes. As these three policies came together, real hourly labor costs jumped without corresponding increases in demand or prices, and firms responded by reducing production and laying off employees.

The second major policy change was in monetary policy. Following the end of the contraction, banks, as a precaution against bank runs, had begun to hold large excess reserves. Between August 1, 1936, and May 1, 1937, in three steps, the Fed doubled reserve requirements for all classes of member banks, wiping out much of the excess reserves, especially at the larger banks. The banks, burned by their lack of excess reserves in the early 1930s, responded by beginning to restore the excess reserves, which entailed reducing loans. Within eighteen months, excess reserves were almost as large as before the reserve requirement increases, and, necessarily, the stock of money was lower.

By June 1937, the recovery—during which the unemployment rate had fallen to 12 percent—was over. Two policies, labor cost increases and a contractionary monetary policy, caused the economy to contract further. Although the contraction ended around June 1938, the ensuing recovery was quite slow. The average rate of unemployment for all of 1938 was 19.1 percent, compared with an average unemployment rate for all of 1937 of 14.3 percent. Even in 1940, the unemployment rate still averaged 14.6 percent.

http://www.econlib.org/library/Enc/GreatDepression.html

--->

Frankly speaking, let's give credit where credit is due for the similarities between the Great Depression and our current recession.

<--- Thanks Barney, Mr. Roosevelt and Mr. Marshall Davis

[Auburnguy]

Yup, some here will never, ever fail to disappoint in their abilities to ignore anything that counters what they choose to focus on...............

[Salmo g.]

Skorz,

You of all should understand that the source of one's daily bread has little influence on political persuasion, seeing as you too, fed at the public trough. And look at your irrational politics.

And speaking of organizers, I got several repeat phone calls just before the Republican caucus regarding supporting Ron Paul. I told them of course Ron Paul was my favorite conservative candidate, that he made more sense than all the others combined, and that if he weren't such a fruitcake on a few key issues I'd be down there to lend my support. Instead I need to cancel out Skorz' vote.

Sg