To Protect & Serve Part II. Police Brutality

[Hairlipangler]

By 2020 Obama wants 30,000 drones flying in US airspace. Hey at least we can use up that old ammo... Cant believe where we are headed, and despite having two good eyes, some of you make Stevie Wonder look like freekin Galileo.

OB1, did you really just suggest saying yes sir and yes mam???? That's messed up dude.

[Cowlitzfisherman]

me my dad and mom were at the kingdome when i was about 8. a guy got pissed at my dad in the hallway and attacked him. my dad grabbed the guy and slammed him into the wall which is all the cops saw. they wrenched his arm way behind his back messing up his shoulder bad then slammed him face down into the concrete floor. the other guy took off. dad has a bad shoulder to this day.

his freind also got a billy club beatdown when cops came into his backyard because he was lighting off illegal firecrackers. he said get off my property you dont have a warrant. they beat him down with clubs and then took off without any kind of paperwork or anything. just came in beat him then split.

If what you say happened to your father actually happened EXACTLY as you said it did then in that case the police were in the wrong and behaved poorly but most of those officers working events are "Off-duty" and are hired by the event sponsor for security and there-fore not working in their official capacity as officers of the law.

Your dad's friend needs to learn the laws and learn to keep his mouth shut when he is committing a crime. The police do not need a warrant to walk on to your property if there is a crime being committed and by your own admission the guy was committing a crime, it was a minor one but it was still a crime.
Had the police arrested and charged him with a crime they would have needed a warrant to enter the house or any other structure on the property for the purpose of collecting evidence but, since your dads friend was committing his crime right out in the open for all to see no warrant was necessary.
When he responded with "Get off my property" he became confrontational and, as I am assuming it was a 4th of July party by the fact he was setting off fireworks, there was a fair chance that he had been drinking that day also. A confrontational and intoxicated person can be very dangerous and especially since I am pretty sure the Officers were out numbered they very easily could have felt that their safety could have been threatened and if that were the case their actions could be seen as justified.

There are always a few bad apples in the barrel but, as a whole I am sure that most people that weren't committing a crime have not had violent encounters with police. For every video of an officer taking things to far there are probably 10 or more videos of officers behaving professionally and respectfully right up to the point that they were killed or attacked by the perpetrator they were trying to apprehend.

My point to my original post was two-fold:
1) That garbage videos like the one Gene posted do nothing for anyone except to identify the creators as either jerks trying to stir up hatred of the police in an effort to capitalize on the situation and make a fast buck or, as individuals having issues with authority figures.
2)If you dont want to have a potentially violent encounter with the police then don't break the law or, if you do follow the instructions given to you by the police quickly, quietly, don't resist, and saying, 'Yes Ma'am" and "Yes sir" wont hurt your case either.

When he responded with "Get off my property" he became confrontational and, as I am assuming it was a 4th of July party by the fact he was setting off fireworks, there was a fair chance that he had been drinking that day also. A confrontational and intoxicated person can be very dangerous and especially since I am pretty sure the Officers were out numbered they very easily could have felt that their safety could have been threatened and if that were the case their actions could be seen as justified.

There was just as likely, "a fair chance" that the officers also had been drinking that day also

[WhiteDog]

There was just as likely, "a fair chance" that the officers also had been drinking that day also

Probably disturbed their barbecue.

[streamer]

clockwork,


Look who the producer of the video is. If that isn't a prime example of propaganda I don't know what is. The hip-hop community is quite often anti-law enforcement. Find me a credible source preaching the same thing that doesn't have some sort of agenda and I may be a bit more willing to listen.

Second, "we're innocent until proven guilty for a REASON" is irrelevant to the discussion. When people are resisting arrest, they are subject to force. That is not your excuse to resist arrest. If you don't resist it won't happen. If it does, then you have something, but that is generally not the case.

When police officers come across as being soft, they are exposing danger to both themselves, and others. Period.

Does police brutality happen? Absolutely. Does it happen as often as many preach? No. Make sure you have all the facts before jumping on the bandwagon.


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[streamer]

There was just as likely, "a fair chance" that the officers also had been drinking that day also

I'm more inclined to believe the "gentleman" would be drinking before a police officer would while on duty.


Streamer

[cowlitzriverfisher]

We live in a police State with law enforcement brutalizing it's citizenry every day.

That is complete bullshiiit and you know it.

We live in a area that has a few bad cops. To generalize them is retarded.

Considering who posted this it makes perfect sense.
Some people in this word believe whatever they want to believe, whether they know what they are talking about or not!

[WhiteDog]

We live in a police State with law enforcement brutalizing it's citizenry every day.

That is complete bullshiiit and you know it.

We live in a area that has a few bad cops. To generalize them is retarded.

Considering who posted this it makes perfect sense.
Some people in this word believe whatever they want to believe, whether they know what they are talking about or not!

Well there you go.....admitting whom you are is the first step.

[powder]

Where's that one guy with the thread facts.


We live in a police state.

Cops look to kill people sometimes.

Lawyers need a beat down.

Cops drink on the job.

[IBCNUL8R]

Edmonds police officers credited with saving lives during fire rescue

EDMONDS, Wash. -- Thanks to a heroic effort by several police officers, residents at an Edmonds apartment community are alive and well after their building went up in flames.

Corporal Michael Richardson and four of his fellow Edmonds police officers were reporting to a call at the Ballinger Apartments early Sunday morning when they heard someone yelling for help from across the parking lot.

"And we looked over and could see smoke billowing out," Richardson said..

The officers sprang to action, going door to door to evacuate the residents.

"The first concern is getting everyone out," said officer Ryan Speer. "You don't even have time to think about the danger of the fire itself because there's people inside. They have to get out and I can't just stand there and watch."

Officers said the smoke was overwhelming and felt like hot sand was being poured down their throats.

After kicking down several doors herself, officer Jodi Sackville had to be transported to the hospital to be treated for smoke inhalation.

Dealing with fire and rescue operations is uncommon in the department, and the officers say their only fire training was in how to operate a fire extinguisher.

Despite their lack of experience, Speer said he's glad the officers were at the scene and able to help save lives.

"It worked out really well because we could have been in different spots of the city, and if we hadn't been on scene right then it could have been an extremely different outcome," he said.

Sackville was released from the hospital and is expected to be back on the job on Tuesday.

According to one gamefishin member that just happened to be in the area (name withheld - fishinfoolz ) As the people came running out the apartment complex, police were there in a gauntlet formation beating the tentants within an inch of their lives as they passed the gauntlet.

One police officer could be heard saying "This is like clubbing king salmon in a small creek". While another officer is heard saying "should we mark these on our punch card"?

I guess just MORE BAD COPS!!!!

[Clockwork]

clockwork,


Look who the producer of the video is. If that isn't a prime example of propaganda I don't know what is. The hip-hop community is quite often anti-law enforcement. Find me a credible source preaching the same thing that doesn't have some sort of agenda and I may be a bit more willing to listen.

Second, "we're innocent until proven guilty for a REASON" is irrelevant to the discussion. When people are resisting arrest, they are subject to force. That is not your excuse to resist arrest. If you don't resist it won't happen. If it does, then you have something, but that is generally not the case.

When police officers come across as being soft, they are exposing danger to both themselves, and others. Period.

Does police brutality happen? Absolutely. Does it happen as often as many preach? No. Make sure you have all the facts before jumping on the bandwagon.


Streamer

so if it doesnt happen as much as the producer claims then it is not a problem? and this is just a few of the clips that were actually caught on film cqan you imagine how many more arent. imaging what those cops would have done without an audience.

[Hairlipangler]

There are hundreds of examples citing police officers rising above and beyond the average job description. Don't think I read it any different, anywhere in this thread. The Edmonds cops are judged by their actions, selfless and heroic.

John T Williams (the Seattle woodcarver shot and killed by officer Ian Birk) and other examples of police inappropriateness are also judged by their own independent actions, as cowardly and criminal.


Yes the Edmonds police officers involved deserve our respect, loyalty, and appreciation.

When police officers like Ian Birk practice "agency sanctioned murder", or club somebody and the like, they deserve to be judged by their peers for their criminal conduct.

It doesn't matter how many examples you post, the two still exist.

[reel addiction]

There are hundreds of examples citing police officers rising above and beyond the average job description. Don't think I read it any different, anywhere in this thread. The Edmonds cops are judged by their actions, selfless and heroic.

John T Williams (the Seattle woodcarver shot and killed by officer Ian Birk) and other examples of police inappropriateness are also judged by their own independent actions, as cowardly and criminal.


Yes the Edmonds police officers involved deserve our respect, loyalty, and appreciation.

When police officers like Ian Birk practice "agency sanctioned murder", or club somebody and the like, they deserve to be judged by their peers for their criminal conduct.

It doesn't matter how many examples you post, the two still exist.

Two bad apples does not ruin the whole barrel.

[Cowlitzfisherman]

There was just as likely, "a fair chance" that the officers also had been drinking that day also

I'm more inclined to believe the "gentleman" would be drinking before a police officer would while on duty.


Streamer

Try having one for your next door neibors for fifteen years or so, and then make that kind of statement! In that time, you really get to know a person. They are just as human as we are, and they do the same things that we all do, but they have a clan that doesn't judge themselves as they do us. It's truly a brotherhood among them.

[streamer]

clockwork,

You're making an assumption. It does happen, however infrequently, and the video is making it seem like something you should expect when encountering police officers. It is a stereotype, and certainly one that doesn't merit very much truth.

CFM,

I'm aware of the fact that there are bad apples, and probably are police offers that drink while on duty or show up for a shift while intoxicated. As you said, they are human. But one thing that I can tell you, since I come from a family with multiple people in law-enforcement, it isn't a very common occurrence. I'm sure your experience doesn't happen frequently.

I actually tested for multiple police departments and on a couple occasions came extremely close to being hired, and I can tell you that the hiring process is extraordinarily rigorous and competitive. With as competitive as it is right now, if there is virtually any history of drugs/alcohol abuse, you better exceed in every other hiring criteria to be considered for a position, otherwise you don't stand a chance.

Just to give you an idea, I scored a perfect on the physical test, a 99% on the written examination, passed the background check (I'm about as squeeky clean as they come), and I was still not considered a "competitive candidate". They really only take absolute straight arrows these days, and if an individual has a history of alcohol abuse, they won't be hired. But that doesn't mean it isn't something that can develop as a result from daily stress one can expect being a police officer. It is pretty brutal, but I digress.


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[Cowlitzfisherman]

Not all cops are bad, but there are more then enough to go around here

Just do a search on our own cops here in Washington. One has to wonder how these heroes got selected?


http://www.king5.com/news/cities/seattl ... 47423.html

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/0 ... 64220.html

[Krijack]

"two bad apples does not ruin the whole barrel." Try putting two bad apples in a barrel of good apples, then after a a week check to see how they are fairing, then check in two weeks.

Never been beaten, but have been threatened, watched a few officers start to loose it on a suspect, had a freind murdered by a cop, my father was rob by who we are pretty sure was some of Sheriff Jankovich's men, I been wrongly arrested, watched an officer perjure himself, and the list goes on and on and on. Oneofficer I know had a broken wrist. Seems while he was trying to handcuff a suspect the other officers missed with one of their blows hit him by accident. From what I know, in over 20 years as an officer that was his only serious injury.

I am religious, non-drinking, and straight laced as they come, and still have little respect for police in general. I try, but its just hard.

[reel addiction]

"two bad apples does not ruin the whole barrel." Try putting two bad apples in a barrel of good apples, then after a a week check to see how they are fairing, then check in two weeks.

Never been beaten, but have been threatened, watched a few officers start to loose it on a suspect, had a freind murdered by a cop, my father was rob by who we are pretty sure was some of Sheriff Jankovich's men, I been wrongly arrested, watched an officer perjure himself, and the list goes on and on and on. Oneofficer I know had a broken wrist. Seems while he was trying to handcuff a suspect the other officers missed with one of their blows hit him by accident. From what I know, in over 20 years as an officer that was his only serious injury.

I am religious, non-drinking, and straight laced as they come, and still have little respect for police in general. I try, but its just hard.

So, what you are saying is, "If there are 2 bad cops in a dept., they are going to make more cops bad." I dont think so. I will be the first to agree that there are bad cops. There are also bad bankers, bad drivers, bad mechanics and bad fisherman. That does not mean they are all bad.
As a rule, you get the respect back that you give them. Do what you are told.
If they say get on the ground, then get on the ground. If they say be quiet, then be quiet. It really is quite simple.

[Hairlipangler]

Do what you are told. If they say get on the ground, then get on the ground. If they say be quiet, then be quiet. It really is quite simple.

AYFKM? Innocent till proven guilty. You don't have the right to make a 60 year old woman get on the ground just because it makes you safer. Or shoot an Indian woodcarver because he didn't "do what I said". Its a togh job. Don't like it, get another job, it's not for you. Don't tread on me.

[reel addiction]

Yes, they do have the right to make a 60 year old woman get on the ground to make it safer. What would be the cutoff age? 55? 50? 45?
I didnt say it was ok to shoot a woodcarver that did not do what they said. That officer had other options he could have used.
You are assuming all cops are bad. That is not the case. There are many more good ones than bad.
I agree, you are innocent untill proven guilty. I am not sticking up for bad cops at all. The job of police is not to determine your guilt or innocence. If you are a suspect, their job is arrest you and let the courts decide your guilt or innocence. During the arrest if they feel safer with you on the ground, they are going to put you on the ground. I am 58 and would have no problem getting on the ground if it made the officer feel safer.

[codliveroil]

I have had fist fights with the cops in Utah , I thought they went over board when they hit me back after the cuffs were on , But In reality They really didin't go that far , The damage could have been much worse as they ahd a few free shots , Yes they will kick your ass , and yes they go way over board , The videos don't really show much that led up to the incident , It's hard to say because you don't know if the fight was on before the camera and they are showing the tale end , However that is brutality , Hitting some one is brutality it is what it is , some cops are over the edge , They should be held liable and the people around should be liable just like the school is to report child abuse by law , You as a citizen are to report sexual abuse of a child or you can and will go to jail , This type of thing shoud be treated the same way , The police have to be moral and obey the law or they are just yet another criminal ,

[Skorzeny]

Just curious. Why would anyone get in a fist fight with an officer?
It is one of those, 3 of a kind don't beat a straight, issues. Unless he was trying to sodomize you, why the fight?

[Krijack]

So, what you are saying is, "If there are 2 bad cops in a dept., they are going to make more cops bad." There are two aspects to this.

The first, is, yes, if bad officers are ignored then others will start to push the line. Eventually you end up with the bad controlling the good. When there is no accountability, it seems that human nature leads people down a road where they don't think they would ever go. In Pierce County, two officers just lost their jobs for perjuring themselves. From every indication I got talking to someone who knows them, one officer decided to take care of a problem and the other tried to cover for him. Niether was a "bad cop". they just felt they could get away with pushing the rules.

The second aspect of this is that it creates situations where the public will not trust the department and every once in a while some crazy will get pushed over the line and kill an officer. I once was dealing with a public employee that was out of control One day I complained to a co-worker of his and he said, "we all hate him. Once anyone has dealt with him they hate us all with a passion." I personally believe that 95% of all officers are probably good people, but due to my experiences I trust almost none of them.

[reel addiction]

So, what you are saying is, "If there are 2 bad cops in a dept., they are going to make more cops bad." There are two aspects to this.

The first, is, yes, if bad officers are ignored then others will start to push the line. Eventually you end up with the bad controlling the good. When there is no accountability, it seems that human nature leads people down a road where they don't think they would ever go. In Pierce County, two officers just lost their jobs for perjuring themselves. From every indication I got talking to someone who knows them, one officer decided to take care of a problem and the other tried to cover for him. Niether was a "bad cop". they just felt they could get away with pushing the rules.

The second aspect of this is that it creates situations where the public will not trust the department and every once in a while some crazy will get pushed over the line and kill an officer. I once was dealing with a public employee that was out of control One day I complained to a co-worker of his and he said, "we all hate him. Once anyone has dealt with him they hate us all with a passion." I personally believe that 95% of all officers are probably good people, but due to my experiences I trust almost none of them.

I dont know how old you are and I dont know what the reasons are that you that you dont trust police. I have been around quite a few years and have never had problems with the police.

As far as some "crazy getting pushed over the line" and killing a cop. I dont buy that. They were not pushed anywhere. They decided to kill the cop.

Another thing is that I live in a small town and we dont seem to have the problems a lot of the big cities do with their police dept.

[codliveroil]

Just curious. Why would anyone get in a fist fight with an officer?
It is one of those, 3 of a kind don't beat a straight, issues. Unless he was trying to sodomize you, why the fight?

the factual reason was the cop was exagerrating his report and being a complete a hole , I was to sign the report or what ever and read then be released , I told the cop he was lying , Which is what the exaggeration was , He was a PUNK cop , as apposed to proffessional that could have said " Argue with the judge " or this was his perspective , Of this situation .... I was drinking a beer underage , So when the cops came walking up I dumped it out ,, They were pissed because they had no evidence and told me to stop dumping , I squeezed the can so it emptied quicker , This made them very angry , I wasn't really to drunk ,, So they hauled me into a make up substation to talk and write the report ,
I was pacing nervously , I really wasn't a bad kid at the time , just drank a beer and they saw me , The last I recall was the cop writing the report jumped up and told me to sit down , I was y nervous and sat down , Then paced again , He jumped up and flew at me sticking his pen IN MY EYE , Barely missing and jamming it into my cheek just below the eye , I am or was an athlete of the type that made that a mistake for him , Before him or anyone could stop it, I had him on his back arm locked so he couldn't move , Two cops came up behind trying to grab me saying I was resisiting arrest , I let go , The Punk cop kicked and hit at me like a girl , They got the cuffs on me and the punk cop said some BS about how I think I am tough , I said He didn't understand that he wasn't , He got in My face and acted tough , I said , I will Knock you out with the cuffs on , You are not tough , He was such a punk cop as I have ever seen , Or in general a punk human to think he was so tough when I was cuffed , So I spun crescent kicked him in the side of the head and knocked him out , The rst of the cops punched me and kicked me , Then of all things, one female cop got her batton under my crotch and sqished the jewels , So they had me at that point , That cop will never live down the time I KOed his Punk A$$, I am not against the cops in any way , I get along and am completely for police , But police have to live to a proffessional standard , Lying and exaggerating a report was a PUNK in a uniform , Police hitting people when they are down is nothing but pack animal behavior , I was a 17 year old kid at the time and they should of handled it , They are not there to attack or brutalise , They are there to arrest and enforce ,All I was really doing was pacing because I was very nervous about 1 Beer , YES 1 BEER , And this cop was basically a nut job ,There is no hidden info about this I am telling the truth , I did not have a beating like that coming , Those cops or anyone could see this guy stick a pen in my cheek for pacing , He was in the wrong

[reel addiction]

CLO........Sounds to me like you should have did as you were told.