To Protect & Serve Part II. Police Brutality

[fishinfoolz]

Think about you freedom, you rights and your life after you watch this video. We live in a police State with law enforcement brutalizing it's citizenry every day.

You can hear the voice of Judge Andrew Napolitano's stating we have right to film police activity in public even though they don't like it-

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[Clockwork]

I've long contemplated what i would do in a situation like this as a spectator. when the cops murder someone and you see it do you shoot the cops? by watching this and other videos (ala the woodcarver murder) its clear that sometimes the cops are just looking to kill someone. someone has to stop them and you know it wont be the cop brotherhood who does it.

there are some very upstanding law enforcement officers but in my experience, and im not a criminal in any sense, the bullies with badges outnumber them heavily.

in most contacts i've had with all law enforcement, they are degrading, disrespectful and rude. the other contacts were the complete opposite and they were extremely professional and respectful. not even keeled at all.

and california cops are a breed all their own. they operate like wermacht storm troopers. i was in an aparetment complex in sacramento when a suspect burgler ran through it. the cops blasted through that place like the guy had WMDs. throwing down face first on the cement anyone who got near and anyone who they thought might be involved they never got the guy.

[OB-1]

I watched this video and as usual with this type of video it is cut, spliced , and edited to tell only the part of the story that the creator wants seen, police brutality perpetrated on black people.

I noticed that conveniently most of the audio was covered with a music track thereby preventing us from hearing the police tell the person over and over again to "Stay still," "Put your hand behinds your back" Etc. I also noticed that the times that you could hear the audio it was typically only the voices of the spectators not the people directly involved in the altercations. In addition no where in any of the clips did I see the 10 or so minutes leading up to the situation so, the behavior of the person involved is conveniently missing. Time and time again courts have stated that "Police personnel have the right to use appropriate force and, if need be deadly force to protect themselves in these kind of situations" Since the term "Appropriate force" is a relative term, meaning relative to the situation we need to see the whole situation to properly decide whether or not their behavior was indeed appropriate or not.
It is very easy for all of us that are not in those situations to sit back and complain that the police behaved incorrectly but in the heat of the moment the world seems much different than what is portrayed by that video.

Lets not forget the real root of the problem in this video, people committing crimes! If you don't want to have potentially violent in-counters with the police then obey the laws and there should be no problems. As much as they piss me off and come off like rude A-Holes I never got a speeding ticket from an officer that I didn't deserve.

In addition I didn't see the police commit any act of violence in this video that comes any where near the level of brutality of the violence committed against black people by other black people.

Maybe if the African-American culture cleaned up it's own back yard and stopped killing, beating, robbing, and abusing each other the police agencies in this country would follow suit.


In my opinion this is nothing more than just another video propagated and perpetuated by the "Poor me" portion of our culture.
If you don't like the way that "The System" behaves then change the system, and the best way to change the system is to first change your own behavior!

[Mountainman]

Well said OB 1! You said exactly what i was thinking. That dude with the axe totally deserved to get shot. As for the woodcarver in seattle... maybe he should of dropped his knife. With the way society is these days i can only immagine the stress these officers have. Stay out of trouble, do what the officer says, dont push his buttons just cause you think you are right or have rights!!!

[fishinfoolz]

Regardless of the crime, law enforcement does not have the right to beat people. Regardless of what is said, police do not have the right to beat people. You can defend this type of brutality all day long and all it does is speak to your ignorance about personal liberty and your constitutionally protected rights. Law enforcement are mandated by law to protect even the criminals they arrest from physical harm.

The police do not have the right to prohibit you from video recording their activity in public. Anyone who thinks they can prevent you from recording their behavior is ignorant of the law, and are responsible for perpetuating the brutality that Americans of all races experience every day.

This video isn't about just black people. It isn't about an agenda of the black community. This video is about police brutality and if anyone defends these monsters and how they treat, and sometime kill people under protections of the government you are a pathetic excuse for an American.

No true freedom loving American with half a brain would defend these monsters. I suppose it should expected though from a fishing website that is comprised from a demographic of undereducated redneck hillbillies. Good God, with folks who support a brutal police State equal to that of third world Countries where rights mean nothing, liberty is stepped on by thugs with guns and badges, it is no wonder our Country is all f'ed up!

[Chuck S]

We live in a police State with law enforcement brutalizing it's citizenry every day.

That is complete bullshiiit and you know it.

We live in a area that has a few bad cops. To generalize them is retarded.

[WhiteDog]

I watched this video and as usual with this type of video it is cut, spliced , and edited to tell only the part of the story that the creator wants seen, police brutality perpetrated on black people.

I noticed that conveniently most of the audio was covered with a music track thereby preventing us from hearing the police tell the person over and over again to "Stay still," "Put your hand behinds your back" Etc. I also noticed that the times that you could hear the audio it was typically only the voices of the spectators not the people directly involved in the altercations. In addition no where in any of the clips did I see the 10 or so minutes leading up to the situation so, the behavior of the person involved is conveniently missing. Time and time again courts have stated that "Police personnel have the right to use appropriate force and, if need be deadly force to protect themselves in these kind of situations" Since the term "Appropriate force" is a relative term, meaning relative to the situation we need to see the whole situation to properly decide whether or not their behavior was indeed appropriate or not.
It is very easy for all of us that are not in those situations to sit back and complain that the police behaved incorrectly but in the heat of the moment the world seems much different than what is portrayed by that video.

Lets not forget the real root of the problem in this video, people committing crimes! If you don't want to have potentially violent in-counters with the police then obey the laws and there should be no problems. As much as they piss me off and come off like rude A-Holes I never got a speeding ticket from an officer that I didn't deserve.

In addition I didn't see the police commit any act of violence in this video that comes any where near the level of brutality of the violence committed against black people by other black people.

Maybe if the African-American culture cleaned up it's own back yard and stopped killing, beating, robbing, and abusing each other the police agencies in this country would follow suit.


In my opinion this is nothing more than just another video propagated and perpetuated by the "Poor me" portion of our culture.
If you don't like the way that "The System" behaves then change the system, and the best way to change the system is to first change your own behavior!

Obviously you did not watch the entire film. Jack-booted Storm troopers would be a valid description. Many of those officers shown would have excellent careers in regimes similar to the one in Syria or as "Colonels and Generals" in Venezuela.

[Clockwork]

i saw alot of white people getting their ass beat in this video as well as black cops issuing brutal beatings so im not sure that this is a race thing.

the cops job is not to punish you for breaking the law. they are to apprehend you in order to bring you before the court system.

its all great because we hate criminals but the system cant work that way. justice is not supposed to be an emotionally charged 2 minute clubbing on a defenseless mans knees.

i hate criminals but we cant have professional police doing this. if thats how we want it we need to get rid of cops and go to a neighborhood militia system. which i actually would be for.

[Mountainman]

Clockwork, thank you for giving your two bits and not calling everyone on this site a bunch of dumb rednecks. Im not a huge man of words and yes i am undereducated. After reading what you wrote i agree that police beating criminals isnt right nor is their jobs, but it sure is nice to watch once in awhile. It just seems that criminals continue being criminals. Perhaps the punishments arnt severe enouph. What if for every crime the punishment was death? now im not saying this should be so, but it would deff. make you think twice about committing a crime. Maybe we could just cut off a finger or two. then move to a hand or arm. If its rape... then we cut off your ding ding. Punishment should be expected when you commit a crime. your mother spanked you when you were young right!? and if that didnt work.. she would spank you again until you got it.

ps i can see why some people dont show their face on this site.

[WhiteDog]

Clockwork, thank you for giving your two bits and not calling everyone on this site a bunch of dumb rednecks. Im not a huge man of words and yes i am undereducated. After reading what you wrote i agree that police beating criminals isnt right nor is their jobs, but it sure is nice to watch once in awhile. It just seems that criminals continue being criminals. Perhaps the punishments arnt severe enouph. What if for every crime the punishment was death? now im not saying this should be so, but it would deff. make you think twice about committing a crime. Maybe we could just cut off a finger or two. then move to a hand or arm. If its rape... then we cut off your ding ding. Punishment should be expected when you commit a crime. your mother spanked you when you were young right!? and if that didnt work.. she would spank you again until you got it.

ps i can see why some people dont show their face on this site.

Some people would make outstanding members of the Taliban.

[powder]

A lawyer is pulled over by a police officer. The lawyer thinks awful highly of himself and decides he's going to prove he's smarter than this officer, because he's more educated.

Cop: "License and registration please."
Lawyer: "What for, officer?"
Cop: "You didn't stop at the stop sign."
Lawyer: "I slowed down and didn't see anyone coming so i went ahead."
Cop: "You didn't stop and that's the law."
Lawyer: "What's the difference?"
Cop: "Step out of the car please."

The lawyer gets out of the car and the officer proceeds to beat him senseless, then says "Now would you like me to slow down or stop?"

[WhiteDog]

A lawyer is pulled over by a police officer. The lawyer thinks awful highly of himself and decides he's going to prove he's smarter than this officer, because he's more educated.

Cop: "License and registration please."
Lawyer: "What for, officer?"
Cop: "You didn't stop at the stop sign."
Lawyer: "I slowed down and didn't see anyone coming so i went ahead."
Cop: "You didn't stop and that's the law."
Lawyer: "What's the difference?"
Cop: "Step out of the car please."

The lawyer gets out of the car and the officer proceeds to beat him senseless, then says "Now would you like me to slow down or stop?"

[Mountainman]

thats a good one powder

[streamer]

OB-1 pretty much nailed it.

This has nothing to do with race, and everything to do with the "victims" that have already committed a crime, not following directions, and law enforcement utilizing force to help restrain/detain the POS so that he will cooperate. As previously stated by OB-1, this is a prime example of propaganda.

Not surprised that fishinfoolz posted this. Get off the web and get a life.


Streamer

P.S. Don't commit a crime and you don't have to worry about it. If you do, follow directions as ordered and don't resist, otherwise you deserve what you have coming to you.

[411]

+1,000,000

[eddie]

Two sides to every story. There are some wonderful human beings that happen to be cops. There are also criminals with badges. It is our responsibility to sort them out.

[reel addiction]

Regardless of the crime, law enforcement does not have the right to beat people. Regardless of what is said, police do not have the right to beat people. You can defend this type of brutality all day long and all it does is speak to your ignorance about personal liberty and your constitutionally protected rights. Law enforcement are mandated by law to protect even the criminals they arrest from physical harm.

The police do not have the right to prohibit you from video recording their activity in public. Anyone who thinks they can prevent you from recording their behavior is ignorant of the law, and are responsible for perpetuating the brutality that Americans of all races experience every day.

This video isn't about just black people. It isn't about an agenda of the black community. This video is about police brutality and if anyone defends these monsters and how they treat, and sometime kill people under protections of the government you are a pathetic excuse for an American.

No true freedom loving American with half a brain would defend these monsters. I suppose it should expected though from a fishing website that is comprised from a demographic of undereducated redneck hillbillies. Good God, with folks who support a brutal police State equal to that of third world Countries where rights mean nothing, liberty is stepped on by thugs with guns and badges, it is no wonder our Country is all f'ed up!

"undereducated redneck hillbillys"...........you must have been looking in the mirror.

[411]

And yet CHOOSE to live here, maybe you should try Mexico or maybe Canada.

[Skorzeny]

What's wrong here. The law is supposed to be a deterrent to crime, I thought. Obviously that doesn't work apparently.
A man kills his wife and kids. There is no excuse. And yet the shrinks and handwringers would have you incarcerate him
for a while. And millions in taxppayer dollars will be spent to defend and prosecute him.
We as a society put down rabid dogs and yet a rabid homo sap. is allowed to hang around and spread his psychosis.
Lots of copycats out there.
land fill is a good place for the garbage .
eddie said it is our job to weed out the goons with a badge. Indeed.

[IBCNUL8R]

Boo frickin hoo!!!.....I think it's pretty plain and simple. Don't break the law and you're pretty much good to go.

And then you have the people who think the police are no more than just a person in a halloween costume or something. They DO NOT respect the law or the person wearing the uniform. If a police officer gives the order to stop. THEN STOP!!! If he says get on the ground. GET ON THE GROUND!!! He doesn't know you from Adam, he doesn't know if you have a weapon, he doesn't know anything about you. Do as you're told and there won't be a problem. Pretty simple.

And since Fishinfoolz posted his, now it's time to watch another side of the discussion. Watch carefully. Was the shooting justified? No?? watch it again!!



How many members on this site have been BEATIN into submission by the police? And I'm not talking about friends you know, or someone who knows someone that recieved a beating. I'm talking on this site. I'd be interested to hear the answers.

[SledgeHammer]

Totally justified. His back up gave him the heads up on the second weapon. Mr Badguy was a split second away from getting off a round or two.

[Skorzeny]

Hell I'm a half blind OF, and even I can see the second gun in the perps right hand.
Glad the officer was a good shooter. Didn't take a magazine full to terminate the POS.
That's what the taxpayer dollars are supposed to go for. Economical too, no public defender or prosecutor bill engenderes.

btw, Thanks IB' good video.

[Clockwork]

OB-1 pretty much nailed it.

This has nothing to do with race, and everything to do with the "victims" that have already committed a crime, not following directions, and law enforcement utilizing force to help restrain/detain the POS so that he will cooperate. As previously stated by OB-1, this is a prime example of propaganda.

Not surprised that fishinfoolz posted this. Get off the web and get a life.


Streamer

P.S. Don't commit a crime and you don't have to worry about it. If you do, follow directions as ordered and don't resist, otherwise you deserve what you have coming to you.

dude, you're way off. we're innocent until proven guilty for a REASON. we dont even know how many of these people were guilty, what the crime was and its clear in many of the videos THEY WERE FOLLOWING DIRECTIONS, WERE ALREADY SUBDUED AND/OR NEVER RESISTED IN THE FIRST PLACE.

what happens when someone wrongfully accuses you of something, should the cops come beat the hell out of you first and then ask questions later?

[Clockwork]

Boo frickin hoo!!!.....I think it's pretty plain and simple. Don't break the law and you're pretty much good to go.

And then you have the people who think the police are no more than just a person in a halloween costume or something. They DO NOT respect the law or the person wearing the uniform. If a police officer gives the order to stop. THEN STOP!!! If he says get on the ground. GET ON THE GROUND!!! He doesn't know you from Adam, he doesn't know if you have a weapon, he doesn't know anything about you. Do as you're told and there won't be a problem. Pretty simple.

And since Fishinfoolz posted his, now it's time to watch another side of the discussion. Watch carefully. Was the shooting justified? No?? watch it again!!



How many members on this site have been BEATIN into submission by the police? And I'm not talking about friends you know, or someone who knows someone that recieved a beating. I'm talking on this site. I'd be interested to hear the answers.

me my dad and mom were at the kingdome when i was about 8. a guy got pissed at my dad in the hallway and attacked him. my dad grabbed the guy and slammed him into the wall which is all the cops saw. they wrenched his arm way behind his back messing up his shoulder bad then slammed him face down into the concrete floor. the other guy took off. dad has a bad shoulder to this day.

his freind also got a billy club beatdown when cops came into his backyard because he was lighting off illegal firecrackers. he said get off my property you dont have a warrant. they beat him down with clubs and then took off without any kind of paperwork or anything. just came in beat him then split.

[OB-1]

me my dad and mom were at the kingdome when i was about 8. a guy got pissed at my dad in the hallway and attacked him. my dad grabbed the guy and slammed him into the wall which is all the cops saw. they wrenched his arm way behind his back messing up his shoulder bad then slammed him face down into the concrete floor. the other guy took off. dad has a bad shoulder to this day.

his freind also got a billy club beatdown when cops came into his backyard because he was lighting off illegal firecrackers. he said get off my property you dont have a warrant. they beat him down with clubs and then took off without any kind of paperwork or anything. just came in beat him then split.

If what you say happened to your father actually happened EXACTLY as you said it did then in that case the police were in the wrong and behaved poorly but most of those officers working events are "Off-duty" and are hired by the event sponsor for security and there-fore not working in their official capacity as officers of the law.

Your dad's friend needs to learn the laws and learn to keep his mouth shut when he is committing a crime. The police do not need a warrant to walk on to your property if there is a crime being committed and by your own admission the guy was committing a crime, it was a minor one but it was still a crime.
Had the police arrested and charged him with a crime they would have needed a warrant to enter the house or any other structure on the property for the purpose of collecting evidence but, since your dads friend was committing his crime right out in the open for all to see no warrant was necessary.
When he responded with "Get off my property" he became confrontational and, as I am assuming it was a 4th of July party by the fact he was setting off fireworks, there was a fair chance that he had been drinking that day also. A confrontational and intoxicated person can be very dangerous and especially since I am pretty sure the Officers were out numbered they very easily could have felt that their safety could have been threatened and if that were the case their actions could be seen as justified.

There are always a few bad apples in the barrel but, as a whole I am sure that most people that weren't committing a crime have not had violent encounters with police. For every video of an officer taking things to far there are probably 10 or more videos of officers behaving professionally and respectfully right up to the point that they were killed or attacked by the perpetrator they were trying to apprehend.

My point to my original post was two-fold:
1) That garbage videos like the one Gene posted do nothing for anyone except to identify the creators as either jerks trying to stir up hatred of the police in an effort to capitalize on the situation and make a fast buck or, as individuals having issues with authority figures.
2)If you dont want to have a potentially violent encounter with the police then don't break the law or, if you do follow the instructions given to you by the police quickly, quietly, don't resist, and saying, 'Yes Ma'am" and "Yes sir" wont hurt your case either.