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Samish River Hatchery DONE

Postby Oldschool » Mon Nov 07, 2011 9:28 am

Attention:

We have just received word from workers at the Samish River Hatchery that they are scheduled to be shut down by the State of Washington due to budget cuts. The state has 4,000,000 in cuts scheduled, 2,000,000 of which are required. Some of the Washington Representitives are scheduled to visit the hatchery this Wednesday. This is a very important hatchery for the entire Puget Sound since it contributes 20% of the marked hatchery fish to the area fisheries. This cut will not only impact river fishing but most of the blackmouth fisheries (Marine Areas 8-1, 8-2, 9, and 7) will be shut down due to this cut according to hatchery officials and fisheries biologists due to the increased pressure on wild stocks. Please contact your local Washington State Representative if you wish to contest this decision. The link to the Washington Elected Officials contact information is below. You can find all of the necessary contact info on access.wa.gov. They will listen to thier consitiuents. As of today, it is reported that they have only received a few phone calls regarding this issue although it has not been publicized.

http://www.sos.wa.gov/elections/elected_officials.aspx


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Re: Samish River Hatchery DONE

Postby Woodfighter » Mon Nov 07, 2011 9:38 am

Sent my letter to my rep in last week.

Doesn't make a lot of sense to cut something that generates revenue for the state.
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Re: Samish River Hatchery DONE

Postby kingdaddy » Tue Nov 08, 2011 9:36 am

SAD that a very productive hatchery has to close? It has low operating costs compared to other hatcheries with dismal returns!!! Say goodbye to a lot of our Chinook fisheries in Northern Puget Sound and San Juans!!! :evil: :evil: :evil: Here's a link with details from WDFW web site: http://wdfw.wa.gov/about/budget/2012_supp_operating/xf-close_samish_salmon_hatchery.pdf
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Re: Samish River Hatchery DONE

Postby FlylikeIdo » Tue Nov 08, 2011 10:42 am

Its a sad day for a sad fishery.
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Re: Samish River Hatchery DONE

Postby kingdaddy » Tue Nov 08, 2011 10:54 am

People may not like the river fishery! but it provides immense opportunity in the salt that will be lost!!!
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Re: Samish River Hatchery DONE

Postby River Jim » Tue Nov 08, 2011 11:12 am

I would imagine the tribe will step in and take over the hatchery, just a guess mind you but it would make sense.................for them to do so............RJ out.
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Re: Samish River Hatchery DONE

Postby Big Nookie » Tue Nov 08, 2011 12:02 pm

I don't think people realize how much of a loss this is. Its huge. Not becuase of the river fishery, I know some would disagree but thats the least of the loss. The real loss is the massive reduction of opportunity out in the straight. Expect chinook fishing at Neah Bay and Sekiu to take a major hit.
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Re: Samish River Hatchery DONE

Postby kingdaddy » Tue Nov 08, 2011 12:05 pm

You hit the nail on the head big nookie thank you!!!!
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Re: Samish River Hatchery DONE

Postby kingdaddy » Tue Nov 08, 2011 12:17 pm

Here's a link to fall chinook hatcheries. Whats north of seattle with any success the samish hatchery. Without this hatchery we will have no hatchery chinook fisheries to fish for!!!!!!

http://wdfw.wa.gov/hatcheries/escapement/2011/110311.pdf
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Re: Samish River Hatchery DONE

Postby River Jim » Tue Nov 08, 2011 12:24 pm

It is my opinion that WDFW really does not want to be in the fish rearing business for us.........They like trout and that is the big money maker for them........This all plays well into the fact that the long term plan at WDFW is to eventually close all hatcheries...........If the tribe wants to step up and take over a hatchery I'm sure WDFW would be happy to give them the keys to the front gate..............RJ out.
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Re: Samish River Hatchery DONE

Postby Oldschool » Tue Nov 08, 2011 2:28 pm

Keeping this one at the top of the page more readers for this the better we all will be

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Re: Samish River Hatchery DONE

Postby Smalma » Tue Nov 08, 2011 3:23 pm

For sure any hatchery closures affect lots of different fisheries it is important to keep in mind that the purpose of the Samish Chinook is to feed the terminal fisheries - in-river sport and the tribal and non-treaty commercial fisheries in Bellingham and Samish Bays.

Roughly 20% of the harvest of the Samish happens in BC, another 20% by the non-treaty local comercial fishery, and another 30% by the tibal local fishery. The various Washington recreational fisheries account for less than 20% of harvest with about 75% coming in the in-river fisheries.

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Re: Samish River Hatchery DONE

Postby fishinfoolz » Tue Nov 08, 2011 4:00 pm

Aren't those numbers very similar to every system served by hatcheries Curt? In other words, don't they serve society's needs more-so than that of the individual sportsman or sport fishers...
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Re: Samish River Hatchery DONE

Postby Smalma » Tue Nov 08, 2011 5:25 pm

Fishinfoolz -
No they are not - the Samish is the only Puget Sound hatchery that is producing a Chinook return that the non-treaty Puget Sound commercial fleet targets. Remember for the rest of Puget Sound both coho and Chinook for the non-treaty fisheries the recreational fisheries have been established as the priority.

In fact the impacts from 3 hatcheries target for closures/reductions (Samish, Hood Canal, Nemah) will largely be felt by the commercial industry and in the case of the Samish and Nemah to a lesser degree the freshwater recreational fisheries.

For those recrational anglers that fish primarily the marine waters across the straits and Puget Sound the least painful Chinook reduction may well be the Samish. I'm not saying that there would not be some pain just not as much as some others.

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There are clear benefits for wild Nooksack Chinook stocks with the elimination of the Samish operation.

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Re: Samish River Hatchery DONE

Postby fishinfoolz » Tue Nov 08, 2011 5:56 pm

Aren't fish reared at nearly all hatcheries caught by commercial fishermen in the ocean?
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Re: Samish River Hatchery DONE

Postby Smalma » Tue Nov 08, 2011 6:35 pm

Fishinfoolz -
Correct PS hatchery Chinook are caught in the ocean in commercial fisheries. Those fisheries are troll fisheries in Alaska, off VAncouver Island, and off the Washington coast. While the harvest rate in those fisheries vary some depending on the stock in question it is typically the case approximately 5% of the total harvest of PS Chinook stocks occur in Washington troll fisheries. That harvest is split between tribal and non-treaty trollers with the non-treaty take typically approx. 1/3 of the total.

Note there also some Chinook caught by the treaty troll fishery in the Stratis that is above and beyound the ocean fishery (depending on the stock that take can be approximately 1 to 4% of the total).

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Re: Samish River Hatchery DONE

Postby fishinfoolz » Tue Nov 08, 2011 7:57 pm

Thank you for your time Curt. I was under the assumption that commercial and tribal fisheries comprise a larger portion of catch than that of sport fishermen and women. Is that not the case?
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Re: Samish River Hatchery DONE

Postby River Jim » Wed Nov 09, 2011 11:01 am

The tribe will more than likely step in on this situation so relax it's not over yet.........RJ out.
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Re: Samish River Hatchery DONE

Postby stickfisher » Wed Nov 09, 2011 11:41 am

Many people despise the river fishery and the recent privatization and profiteering of the access to the river. If the tribes take over that hatchery it seems like there is a good chance the Swinommish will get their long sought gillnet fishery on the ditch...? That would put a damper on the mud wrestlers and make for a popcorn worthy showdown.
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Re: Samish River Hatchery DONE

Postby River Jim » Wed Nov 09, 2011 11:49 am

I have fished here and caught fish legally by free drifting eggs for silvers........the snaggers are at the lower end and the sporties walk way up river and fish legally.........My hope for the area (salt) is that there would still be fish out in the bay to score if the tribe takes over the hatcher.........Lets hope they do.......Something here is better than nothing...It can be a fun fishery with float and eggs or free drifitng eggs especially around this one log hole I found..............RJ out.
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Re: Samish River Hatchery DONE

Postby mitch184 » Wed Nov 09, 2011 5:08 pm

Hopefully if the tribes take over and switch to just netting the ditch and keep the nets out of the bay. Would be pretty nice to have a bay fishery in there. Shallow water fishing for big kings. Gets the blood pumping.
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